6'-6" tall and weighs 236. Picture this guy in Green and White: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abJK7EfyzIQ&NR=1
the chad of any year couldn't get as far as the vinny of 1998. watching joe willie and vinny and then having to watch noodle arm should be classified as ' cruel and unusual punishment'.
I put the odds at about 60-40 in favor of Chad in the QB competition, and that scares me... As someone (I think Section 227) said earlier in this thread, Chad ALWAYS looks great in TC. TC is the time when the QB has the red jersey on, and it's much more about leadership, understanding of the playbook and chemistry than about physical ability. I will ALWAYS give the veteran QB the edge in that kind of scenario, because a younger guy simply has not had the game-time experience to progress in those areas. That's what worries me. No matter how done, physically, or mentally (in terms of getting flustered in the pocket) a veteran QB is, if the CS makes it an open competition between him and the younger guy, the vet will almost always win. See Drew Bledsoe over Tony Romo. See Kurt Warner over Eli Manning, and then over Matt Leinart. See Chad Pennington over Kellen Clemens (last season) See Vinny over Chad in 2002. See Trent Green in Miami last season. None of those guys had much, if anything left in the tank, and the whole world knew it.. But in TC, they did enough to win the job, and their teams paid the price.... It happens all the time. The way I see it, if the CS makes it an open competition, the cards are stacked against the young guy... And that REALLY scares me going into this season...
I read the headline of this thread....why did I have a think bubble with two guys in wheel chairs racing?
Agree with many other posters. We've got to give KC a full offseason and a chance in '08 before we abandon ship. While his play has not been something to write home about, many QBs who are successful today had a rough start... just looking at playoff teams this year, look at some of their current QB's ratings their first year of significant action: Peyton Manning: 71.2 Hasselbeck: 70.9 E. Manning: 55.5 V. Young: 66.7 Garrard: 53.8 It is very hard to step into the NFL and light it up the first season you start. I'm not giving up on KC yet. Let's see what he's got next year, then we should decide. It is WAY too early to abandon ship right now. If teams quit on QBs after a rough first partial season, there would be very few QBs to actually make it. I won't re-hash the plethora of other problems on offense that affected KC, but that needs to be part of the conversation, as well.
It's a disgrace that there's even a chance a washed up has been like Chadwick will be playing Qb this year, let alone there be talk he could play his way into starting by shining in TC. Last year they handed him the starting job and he sucked, flat out sucked. What make them think if he plays this year he will do better? Nothing. A year older, another year playing with that 12 year old girl's arm, another year wasted not seeing what we have in Clemens. A year that presumably would be followed by a high draft pick spent on a Qb, who may or may not make it. THIS is how important it is that Clemens gets in there and at least gets it done to an acceptable level. Chad being the only other feasible option to play at Qb means any such play by him and this team immediately becomes the worst team in football and a laughingstock. Lucky for me there's plenty of yardwork to do if I feel like spending the time.
Blame it on the douchebags who are in charge of making all the personnel moves on the team. I think I will have better things to do with my time this summer, too.
If Chad starts we have yet another wasted year. And the sad thing is if we 9-7 our way to a first round one and done playoff loss we will still not have a Qb for the future and we will be set back yet another five years. We lose even when we win!
Oh, I do. I do. I am already disappointed in them. Even if Clemens gets the nod Chad is still on the roster, and could well be playing at some point if Clemens gets injured, even briefly. Chad again behind center is something that in a rational world would never happen. Welcome to the current NY Jets.
Hindsight is always 20-20, as they say, but looking back to April, I think if Tangini had known they were going to be able to fill up our shopping cart as much as they did in F/A, I think they would have made more of an effort to go after Joe Flacco and manuever some of those picks in that direction. True, Flacco moved up far higher than most predicted, eventually going to the Ravens at #18. But I think they got a franchise QB there for years to come. It takes years for any QB that you draft to really show you what he's made of, so if Clemens is not the man for us, the only other young option we have right now is Ainge, with Chad in the wings. If Clemens goes down with an injury or bombs out terribly, we could conceivably still have the makings of a SB team, but with no legitimate QB! That would be frustrating as hell. Knowing what I know today (about how well we did in F/A), The one regret I have is not having gone for Flacco, even if it meant forgoing either Gholston or Keller or both. If we could have traded out of the Gholston position and dropped down to a reasonable level to take Flacco, we might have still been able to grab Keller too. But again, hindsight is 20-20 and I still think Gholston and Keller will be great contributors. It's just that our QB situation is so tenuous, it really makes me damned nervous going into not only this year but '09 and '10 and beyond.
The problem with going high in the draft this past draft for a Qb is we might, just might, have a pretty decent Qb in Clemens. Nobody here really knows. We know he's not a Pro Bowler out of the box. But we also know despite problems last year he deserves another look. That is part of what pissed me off so much last year, they should have given Chad the hook far earlier to give Kellen more work and get a better look. But the past is past. I just thought this off season it would have been better to admit that past mistake, keep Clemens, use the draft in other areas, and get a better vet Qb in here than Chad, which imo would be just about anybody. If Clemens cannot get it done this year, go Qb high in the draft next off season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5CCe9QtgLo I liked Flacco myself, but I think it is very possible that the Jets got a good future development QB in Ainge. Keep in mind that the kid had a broken finger on his throwing hand most of the season, and still performed well. You can see in some of the close ups his two fingers taped together. His coach had said that the Jets got a steal, that if it wasn't for the broken finger he would have been a 1st rounder. Hope the link works, I have never tried posting a you tube link. If it does pay particular attention to the throw at around 3:35 great throw. Hope it works
The link works great! This is the first video I'm seeing of him... he looks pretty good considering the broken finger! Looks like he has pretty good protection and his WRs are very, very good, so I'm sure all that is helping him in these clips. Those wideouts are wide open in some of the passes but in others, Ainge really had to thread the needle. But yeah, I see what you mean. Maybe we got good value in this kid. Hey, don't forget, Tom Brady was a 6th Rounder, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swirXvK-cAg&NR=1 Here's one more, not as high quality, but still some interesting things to notice. Your 100% correct. He has good protection, and his receivers make great plays after the catch. Still he displays real good NFL qualities. Notice a few things as you watch this video. At the 1:00 mark he completes a 45 yard pass just as he is getting creamed. Yes, the receiver is wide open. Still the ball got there. In a lot of his short passes notice 2 things. On a few of his touch downs, even though they are short passes, they are thrown across the field, some into coverage. They get there in a hurry, and hit his man on the hands. He is very accurate. Hits his receivers on the run, which allows them to, use their skills, and turn intermediate plays into big gainers. He has an excellent play action. This is such a tool when a team has a good OL, and running game. When under pressure he still shows the composure, and arm strength to get the ball off with some pop on it. Not saying he is going to be the next Tom Brady, but he looks like an excellent developmental prospect. he also played in one of the toughest conferences in the country. I like the kid
