Collins was out AFTER Manning was drafted and THEN Warner was signed AFTER Collins was released.. Bottomline is Accorsi felt like he needed to get his QB of the future when he was in position to do so. He would have went for Manning regardless if he signed McKensie in FA..There QB situation was no worse than ours is now. Ramsey is not the answer and Penny will never be the same.. Get your Qb when you get the chance, we will have plenty of chances to upgrade the OL throughout the rest of the draft. And I'll say it again, Gallery was every bit the prospect DBrick is now, only BETTER. His run blocking skills were as highly regarded as his pass blocking skills. If we pass on the chance to get a franchise QB for DBRick we will regret it for the rest of our lives..
how about this we could all sugarcoat our arguments as much as we want. this thread should really be a Leinart/Bush/Super Mario thread.......cuz those are the only 3 players i would see the Jets trading up to take. forget the Giants forget the Raiders this would just be us debating whether or not Leinart (since we are talking QB's) is worth trading up for? and we have about 90 million other threads like this. lets just say this, Trading up is NOT a bad idea...........but not a risk I'd want to take when I could get more quality players in the 1st 2 rds. I would rather have a #4 pick on my team and a #29 pick instead of just #1 or 2 sure make your move for 1 QB, I'd like to fill multiple holes this yr. you can trade the draft next yr for another prospect.
Gallery will start at left tackle for the Raiders this year. Without the zone blocking scheme the Raiders used last year he will get a chance to show how good he can be. While he got off to a slow start I think Gallery has just as much chance to succeed as Eli Manning or Philip Rivers. I don't think either QB has convinced me that trading up for a QB is the way to go.
I think Manning has shown enough in his limited time in the NFL to prove that Accorsi made by far the right decision, no matter what Gallery does with the rest of his NFL career, which at this point has been a major dissapointment..
You made me remember my favorite headline of all time! One of those trashy papers actually used this headline to report John Denver's death. "Denver's nuggets over golden state" I was in the line at the supermarket and lost it!
Ramsey IS NOT THE ANSWER PEOPLE!!!! We must Grab our Future QB if Not Future RB NOW! Either way you look at it,IF We draft a Rookie QB he will NOT be starting and will be 3rd string so we NEED a Solid 1-2. That's the only role Ramsey plays here.
You don't know that Ramsey isn't the answer. For all we know he could end up having a better career (when all is said and done) than any QB coming out in this draft. Give the guy a shot this year, and if he's not the answer, address the situation in the draft next season. If the guy is as bad as many think he is then we're CERTAIN to have a top 5 pick again. Hell I don't care if we draft a guy in the later rounds this year. If we took either Cutler or Lienart at 4 (if he's still there), I can't say I'd be happy, but I would learn to live with it. I just don't think we should trade up and give up a day 1 pick in a draft this deep. We're in a great spot right now.
There is No Leinart, No Vince Young, No reggie Bush Next year. If you can get any one of those players by adding a bottom of the round pick YOU DO IT. Once the top 3 is over the drop off is significant then 10-12 and after that is a crap shoot. "Learn to Live with it"? That's what JETS fans have been doing for over 35years now!! No Thanks, Give me a New Franchise player!!!
Accorsi did not make the right decision. Manning did very poorly in the playoffs. In time he should get better but Eli has to show a lot more to justify being taken at # 1. Rothlisberger would have been a better choice than Eli IMHO. Other first rounders such as Vilma and Roy Williams look very good as well.
Trade up for Bush only Unless we're trading up for Bush I don't think it would be a good idea. Trading up from the #4 spot for any type of lineman. Stay off the crack it's bad for you. Trading up for a true "Franchise QB" would be reasonable but guess what ... THERE ARE NONE ... Leinhart ... Average arm strength ...don't kid yourself, natural arm strength in the NFL is a HUGE factor. He can make all the throws...whatever. Also don't forget the fact he is a party boy, One STD from Paris or Tara Reid and he'll fall apart. Cutler ... would be a great late first or 2nd round pick .. too many questions to be considered a true Franchise QB Young ... Wonderlic score + Poor mechanics + Not in a pro-style system - Can you say PROJECT boys and girls Bush is a legit franchise player, trading up for him would be reasonable but at what cost?
I see what you're saying and your point is very valid. I guess we differ because I haven't lived through 35 years of suffering (i'm 29). I just really like the position we're in. Yes, Leinart could be the next BIG qb. But IMO (like I said) there's no guarentee that he'll be any better in the NFL than Ramsey has been (or will be). I won't even get into Vince Young because IMO he's a poor man's Dante Culpepper. Again, he may become a great QB, but I have my doubts. At this point though there is no wrong or right answer. We just have to sit back, watch things unfold, and see how they turn out. We can't live in the past though. I know this franchise has had more than it's share of bad moments (for lack of a better phrase), but I really feel like we're on the right path with this new no nonesense regime. From what I've seen so far these guys mean business. Lets hope this all translates to good quality football on the gridiron.
That's funny, I said the same thing about Young and when you think about it, Culpepper was a pretty good QB (Pre-Injury) And you are 100% right, I have been crying on this board because the lack of balls our FO and CS had. Now, I like what I'm seeing (although we could've gotten more for Abe :wink: j/k) But the fact is, when you have a chance to get guys who did great things and look superior than the avg. for a measly unproven extra low round Draft pick you do it. I think people put way too much stock in some of these unproven players and yes, They are ALL unproven but these guys look more like Locks that the rest of the pack.
I wouldn't trade up. If you stay pat you are guarenteed to have either Leinart, Super Mario, or Young fall to #4. All would be great selections IMO.To me trading up is equivalent to overpaying in free agency.
The way I see it. If you've got a chance to possibly land a Mario Williams /AJ Hawk and a Nick Mangold / Marcus Mcneil, you have to jump at it. ( i know Mangold and Mcnail may be reaches at 29 but you never know). Like is said, there's no right or wrong answer here. We all have the same goal in mind anyway. Bringing home the Lombardi trophy. Some of us are just a hell of a lot more sensible and realistic than others (present company excluded :up: ).
We have 5 picks on day 1. That gives us the opportunity to sit at some very good spots and pick the BPA. We don't need to acquire anymore picks. Sit where we are at and stick to our board.
You are forgetting that if we use # 4 to get more picks we can move up from our other spots and still end up with 5 or 6 day one picks. Value is the key to trading up or down. I just don't see much value in moving from # 4. Moving up from # 35 or # 67 is a whole different story.
Thanks . Being that it's a team game haveing 5 solid players is more valuable than havin1 great player. So yes, if you can aquire all those players do it. But, The chances of that are really slim. Also, It's not like we'd be giving up the farm to get anyone of the elite players. If we were I'd be whole -heartedly against it. But giving up an extra pick to get one of em? I have no problem with it.
Also, Don't get me wrong. I was one of the first to point out that I believed Ramsey got a raw deal w/the Foreskins. All the coaches, The lack of an O-line etc.. But to me he still isnt a franchise QB. I hope I'm wrong but I'd still try and Get that via the draft. If not we need a franchise RB
