Maybe Mann doesn’t work out, but Davis doesn’t suck. He was a toolsy-but-somewhat-raw pick and was a little behind the 8 ball due to injuries. If you watch his tape he is imporving.
Ive watched the tape dude. I have game pass also. He’s a mile away from the ball at nearly all times. Just because he doesn’t get smoked in coverage every single play as the primary coverage player doesn’t mean he’s playing safety well. Improving is good, but he was even more lost last year. So he probably wouldn’t have been in the league by years end if he didn’t. He strikes me more as a nickel safety that plays the robber position. He’s nowhere near a free high safety. Think a less physical Daniel Sorensen.
The reason Jet fans like the trade up is we have been so terrible at drafting starters outside the top 10 that anytime we get one it feels like a win. This makes it a good move in Jet world but a stupid move to a genuinely talented GMs. With as many holes as we had you don't rebuild this way, unless your on a 5 year plan. On the positive side I agree with @noam . It was a good move for JD because it prevented him from misreading the draft board even worse and over drafting Moore and Carter, who he would have taken 65 picks sooner than we got him.
This is kind of a presumptuous argument based on the idea that the Jets would have drafted Moore and Carter in the event that the trade up didn't happen. Butterfly effect, bro. Either way it's possible that both prove to be worth the picks that were 65 sooner, negating the overdraft concept.
Yeah I just don’t agree on this one. He has had very bad games but I see genuine, and I would say even obvious improvement particularly in the most recent games. He is not an impact player. He is playing in a secondary featuring Elijah Riley, Javelin Guidry as a boundary corner, and at butthole clenching times, Jason Pinnock as a safetey in certain nickel packages. He is playing behind a LB corps of CJ Mosley, Jarrad Davis and Quincy Williams. It’s not what you’d call an incubator surrounding him.
It could be presumptuous but it was stated that JD had Moore slated at 23, and Carter at 34. Was it true? I don't remember anymore except that is the lore. But its not true saying if Carter pans out it would have been worth taking him at 34 instead of 66, 86, or 107, where we actually got him. Taking Carter at 34 would have been bad drafting.
They said they liked Moore at 23 and Carter in the 3rd round not 34. But you also have to realize, you will never hear a coaching staff talk about wanting a player that went to another team. They don’t mention the 36 players they had graded between Moore and Carter so it will always sound like they got their guy at a good value. It’s just coach speak.
2001 2003 2007 2008 2009 2018 2021 It's a franchise pattern that has devastated depth over the years.
Humphrey went at the end of round 2. We could have traded our 3rd and a sixth and gotten Creed Humphrey, and gotten Dickerson in the 2nd. The first 3 rounds could have easily been Wilson, Moore, Dickerson, Humphrey, and DB/LB with Seattle's 3rd.
Dude if you go back to 2003 all of the other teams just have more trade ups too. The Jets literally went a decade without a 1st round trade up. That’s the antithesis of the pattern you’re implying, it’s a pattern of not trading up. The Jets depth has sucked for a decade, from 2012-2021, because they have drafted like hot, burning diarrhea for the majority of that stretch. Not as a result of trading up. You made a blanket statement that is far from the truth to support an argument that’s based in stubbornness to begin with.
It all depends on production. 10 years down the line you redraft the players based on production and the landscape looks a lot different.
Brad is right. Jets always trade up or make the splashy made-for-TV pick. The reason it is less in the last 10 years is because they have always picked at the very top anyway during that period
The guy will be a pro-bowler it was a great draft pick. How do we argue GVT sucks and complain we drafted AVT? Drafting up staying put, it really does not matter. What matters is the players you get with picks and AVT is a good one, well done JD. We have plenty of draft capital and money for the next draft to change this team for the next 5-10 years. JD and company better not mess this up.
Ya--Dickerson and Humphrey would have been something--that was an opportunity for a grand slam. As I recall Dickerson had a leg problem on draft day--not sure how he's been playing in the NFL.
How about we judge JD on what JD does not what the "Jets have always done". There is enough about the 2020 draft class to criticize not much to criticize with the 2021 class. If Mims and Becton pan out the 2020 class will look pretty good as well.
You might have seen Dickerson on the left side of the Eagles line blowing Jets defenders up with Jordan Milata. Those two have developed a reputation as the meanest duo in the NFL and are why the Eagles lead the NFL in rushing.
How do I have an agenda? I have an opinion that I’m interested in debating. I just gave you the most recent decades worth of data, 350 total 1st round picks to support a criticism I made of one of your statements. You not having an answe to that doesn’t make me have an “agenda”
