Sometimes, but it doesn't have to be that. Honestly, the calculator analysis of him and the move is actively why I personally loved the trade up. If I recall the number grade on him from more than one source was elite, and the difference between him and the next tier of picks - OL or otherwise - was stark. I loved the idea that they were trading up for a guy whose draft grade was an order of magnitude higher than anything else available later. I'm a numbers guy about this stuff, and I was stoked about the move because of what the numbers on AVT said about the deal.
On a side note. JD drafts in 2021 and 2022 are early catalysts to a bright young talented nucleus that will propel this team into a contender. If JD continues down the draft path, and ZW stays on his current trajectory we will have a damned good team for years to come.
It was a great decision at the time and it's somehow managing to look even better a season and change later. As a guy early in his second season in the league, he's now played three of the five line positions, and has played them well. His value to this team to this point in the season cannot be overstated.
Maybe the 3 you’re disappointed you bump some of their “good takes”. If you can’t find any, you’ll be less disappointed.
AVT looks like a Pro Bowl level player, which definitely makes this a good trade. With that said, the guy Minny drafted with our 1st round pick is top 3 LT in the League right now: Christian Darrisaw. Looks like both teams did well at this point. Chances are if we do not do this trade, we end up with Teven Jenkins, who was linked to us as projected G, and they take Leatherwood (highest rated tackle on the board at the time of their pick). I say this trade worked out really well for both teams involved. EDIT: Btw, for these who think it is easy to pick up a really good OL players in third round (the picks we gave up), check who went in the first round: Sewell, Slater, AVT, Darrisaw, Leatherwood. That's 4 top 10 players at the position right now and one bust/non impact player out of 5. 3d round guys are Mayfield, Christensen, Davis, Green, Brown, Cleveland, Hainsley, Meinerz. Out of 7 guys you have one top 10 C: Hainsley, and one below average starter in Spencer Brown. 5 busts/non impact players.
That is why I was disappointed, they have mostly decent takes, hey everybody calls things wrong some times lol
I wonder if mods can pull up and see who changed their vote. It would be interesting to see how much it has changed since the poll was first posted.
Interesting, I think many have changed their minds. I hated grabbing Sauce at 4 and if there was a poll at the time, I would definitely need to change my vote today.
In general its a bad idea for a rebuilding team to use so many quality picks on a guard (we used 24, 66, 86 on AVT). People who pointed that out weren't "wrong". We used a first and two thirds to fill one hole, when we had lots of holes. If he would have busted, got injured, or even been ho-hum, it would have been a major screw up. However, the pick has been solid, which is something we should all be happy about. Also, the pick has been versatile enough to move around to fill the tackle holes, which is a bonus that makes up for the cost.
I'd rather see the polls freeze the results. Maybe they could be reopened for new or updated opinions periodically but not erase previous predictions, the history would remain displayed.
Didn't we get one back, #173? Also, On the old jimmy johnson chart, the Jets gave up 1,180 points of draft capital to receive 1,134.5 points back,, the Jets overpaid, but only by a little bit. It is hardly overpaying is it, it is less than 50 points
I've laid out my opinion on this in depth, so I'll just succinctly summarize it here: We need to separate process from outcome. Sound processes produce the best outcomes overall, over time. Failing to convert a 4th down and short inside the redzone doesn't mean it was a bad decision to go for it, for example. The process was correct, and the outcome from that process will usually do your team more good than harm. That doesn't mean the decision works out 100% of the time, just that it works out more often than not. Trading up generally results in a poor outcome relative to not trading up, because the draft is generally a crapshoot and thus the only way to gain an edge over other teams is to have more picks. Having said that, AVT is awesome and I'm thrilled the move up for him worked out for us. That's an entirely different matter than the logic of the process in the first place though.
While I think Sauce is a great player, I still think the better pick was to grab Ekwonu, even more so after Becton fulfilled my belief that he wouldn't be able to play a full season for them.
Trade ups happen all the time, if they have such a poor hit rate you'd think the GM would know this and stop trading up, no? We traded back up for Hall as well, another shocking decision and JJ On the other hand, we allowed Mims to drop and drop and drop and still get him. I'm sensing a thought on this.
You're point is well taken. But there are also times when you have to take a chance if you're going to excel. Knowing when to take those risks and doing so successfully is what makes people/teams great. If you always "play it safe" you might do okay, but you'll rarely become excellent. In the case of AVT, Douglas took a calculated risk in trading up, but he did because he understood that: 1. He wasn't overpaying. 2. There was a big drop off after AVT for OL which was (and still is) a big need for the Jets. 3. AVT had elite ability at several positions. None of these things took much of a crystal ball, or were only knowable in hindsight. JD just had the courage of his convictions and acted on them.
