I really would rather just have Mo for the year and then take the compensation. If Sheldon gets suspended were f-cked, and we are probably looking a low return.... it's just not enough. Let's use the few strengths we have for their best effect. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
We're not really 'fucked.' They signed Jenkins and McLendon for a reason. While it doesn't reek of amazing pocket collapsing pass rush, Jenkins-McLendon-Williams is formidable up front. The question mark is if Mauldin can turn into at least a 7-9 sack guy and we find someone in the draft to put on the other side to compliment him. We may not have a wrecking ball of a defensive line in the run game where they all get 50+ tackles, but even without Wilkerson, I expect to have a good run defense again. David Harris is an animal in the run game and very rarely misses a tackle. Steelers nose tackles are always good run defenders, and Williams showed the ability to penetrate. We'll be fine on that front. The pass rush without blitzing is the real question mark. I expect Sheldon to be a lot better in the passing game if he's moved back to a 5 or 4i technique. The other big concern is going to be stopping rushes to the edge. Those were generally negated by the penetrating defensive line making contact with the ball carrier in the backfield. McLendon is solid but I highly doubt he penetrates at the same successive rate that Harrison did. That'll open up off tackle runs, and if we don't get Henderson back or spend a high draft pick on an ILB teams could have a field day against us running to the 5 & 6 holes.
Richardson is 2017 I think. If we're lucky he doesn't get a very long suspension this year but I think that's what it's going to take: being very lucky.
With all due respect, I don't understand that thinking. What good does it do to keep him for one more season and then lose him for a 3rd round compensatory pick? Now if you think he could possibly sign during that year, I can understand better, but I just don't see that happening. Mo and the Jets are a long ways apart and I don't see how they can bridge that gulf. Conversely, if they can trade Mo now, then they will have $15.7 million reasons for doing so. With that space, they could possibly re-sign Fitz and/or sign some other FAs to shore up depth, and still sign the rookies and have money left over for during the season. The there's the pick of picks they would get for him. Even if it's just a 2nd round pick and swap of places in the 4th round, they could possibly get a player in the 2nd round who can help them this year and going forward, and with a higher 4th round pick, they could also get a player with a lot of talent who fell for some reason, or at least a potentially better player than they'd get at their own pick in the 4th round. This team isn't winning the SB this year. Even if Richardson does get suspended after they trade Mo, at worst, it would give the Jets better draft position next season. At best it could give them the opportunity to play some young DL who might not get the opportunity to play otherwise and either develop them, or find out if those players will be able to help us going forward.
If Macc get us some decent draft picks AND we draft well I have no problem letting him go. I just don't want us to lose a premium talent and,watch him succeed if we just get worse. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
I think the point is long term, can you trust Rich to stay out of trouble? It's not even about this upcoming season. If Rich had Mo and Leo's character, I think most people would be fine with trading Mo. As it stands, Rich has character/off field issues.
We just can't stand prosperity I guess. Wilkerson could be an iconic franchise figure and we never found a way to get it done.
It takes two to tango. Maybe Macc sincerely believes that Wilk's asking price is just too high, and Mo won't sign for anything less. No one, except the two parties negotiating, really knows what's been proffered by either side.
It's the billboard nitwits' fault. Without the public pressure to give the appearance the Jets were trying win now even though there was little chance of doing so, the Revis contract that never should have been wouldn't have happened.
OK, thanks. That's fair. I don't think we're gonna get worse under Mac, but he could have me fooled. That would be more typical of the Jets and their history.
i don't know why we want to trade one of our best players. yes he has high cap hit this year, but once the cap increases next year this won't be an issue. Someone should instead start a thread "cut brick"
I don't see the two as being connected at all. Regardless of what Richardon does or doesn't do, the problem is that the Jets and Mo are so far apart. Two different GMs now have tried to sign him and this has been going on for the 3rd year now. That gulf doesn't look like it can be bridged here. So, that leaves the Jets with a choice. They can keep him for one more season and only get a 3rd round compensatory pick for him, or they can get what they can for him now, and get a TON of cap space with which they can address holes/needs. There are still a lot of unsigned players out there and there will be camp cuts. We may have already lost Beachum and several other FAs that came here for a visit and the Jets wanted to sign, but couldn't because of Mo's contract. Richardson is gonna do what he's gonna do. Either he learned his lesson and he's going to straighten up and fly right, or he's going to stay in trouble. In the latter case, he won't get that big contract from the Jets and will finish his football career elsewhere. If the latter happens, Mac will have to replace him. If the former happens, he'll still have to come to terms with Richardson in a year or so, and may have to replace him anyway. The fact that both Mo and Richardson play on the DL is irrelevant in terms of the issues for each and the big picture. Mac can't act out of fear that the DL will go to pot (pardon the pun) if he trades Mo. Of course he doesn't want to turn a Jets' strength into a weakness, and I don't think he will, but they're two separate players with two separate issues. Trying to connect or link the two would be a big mistake imo.
Have you not been paying attention? It's not a matter of wanting to. It's a matter of "having" to because Mo is being greedy and refusing to accept a fair offer from the Jets. They've been trying to re-sign him for 3 years now. Sooner or later, one has to accept the fact that it's not gonna happen (Mo re-signing), cut bait and move on.
you dont know any of that to be true. The Jets could be low balling him for all we know. The Jets could've been asleep at the wheel with Wilkerson during the Idzik tenure. Maybe Mccagnan knew from day 1 he was going to eventually trade Wilkerson or something. We dont know
If the Jets did that, kept Wilkerson on his tag for next season, tried to work something out long term but eventually let him walk next offseason, what compensatory pick would they get? Is there anyway of knowing for sure what they would get?If its a 3rd round pick for example then folks better be offering more than a 2nd rounder for him in a trade. If not we tell them to piss off like you say. Wilkerson for another year & a 3rd round pick in 2018 (compensatory) > Wilkerson gone tomorrow & a 2nd in 2016 or 2017. Folks better be offering a 1st or a young, talented offensive player. Otherwise, roll the dice and see what happens.
i just dont see wilkerson as an iconic franchise figure. he is a very strong interior defensive lineman. he makes some great plays. he is not a change the game on every play type of player though. the whole idea is to not pay a guy who is very good money that should be reserved for the great and truly iconic players. you cant fault the fo for not wanting to do that. to tie up a shit ton of money in a position that really doesnt warrant it is silly, even if you think he is that good. which he isnt. he averages 7 sacks and 35 tackles per year. not 17 sacks and 60 tackles per year. great player, not worth hamstringing the team for though.
1000% agree with this. Mo has priced himself out of the market for the Jets. In fact I have a strong suspicion that he sees himself as a JJ Watts type asset. Quite frankly he has benefitted immensely from a super talented front line just as much as the line has benefitted from him. But to call him iconic, not just no but hell no. The Jets now have a very difficult decision to make because he is not budging. Richardson or not we need to get what we can out of Mo ASAP if a settlement is not in the cards. We will be much better off with an improved LB corps and no Mo than hamstringing the organization and weaken the rest of the team by signing him to a mega contract. Same shit in spades with Fitz....come to your senses or find a job in Cleveland. You are not in the Jets long term plans, and while we enjoyed your season...you have not demonstrated the knack to win when all the chips are down.
