I think the drop off in talent at edge rusher after Allen is more than people are thinking. Trade down sounds nice, but I only want to trade down if both Bosa and Allen are off the board.
True. I will be ecstatic if the Jets trade down, draft Burns and get a 2nd round pick and another pick this year and at least a 2nd rounder next year or if they stay put and take Allen. I will be skeptical, but hopeful if they stay put and take Bosa. I won't be happy if the pick is Q. Williams, but will hope that I will be proven wrong.
I disagree. IMO there is a slight drop off to Burns and Sweat (maybe Sweat drops more with the questions surrounding his heart), then a larger drop off to Ferrell and Polite, then another fairly sizable drop off to Jaylon Ferguson and Winovich. The only questions with Burns is can he keep his weight up and be able to set the edge on run plays and be able to drop into coverage well? Bosa has the same latter question.
Since you live in Florida, have you seen Brian Burns play a lot? Do you not think he is an elite prospect at edge rusher? Granted, he's not rated as highly as Allen or Bosa, but I don't think he's that far behind them at all. If you don't see him as an elite edge rushing prospect, why not?
Actually back in ny for 9 years now. That’s why I shortened the name. I think burns has a barkevuous (sp) mingo , Aaron maybin feel to him. Kinda lanky with speed. Have to project him as a 3-4 olb but not really sure. Might fit in that wide 9 the eagles were running a few years ago . Not the blue chip Allen or bosa are. I’d rather have sweat honestly
Thanks. I know you are big on Burns. And he is moving up in the rankings. Taylor is creeping up as well.
Idk I thought trading up gave us a franchise qb we have not had since joe. I’d gladly trade picks if it means to have a starter instead of depth with shity starters.
I hear ya, that's always the risk. BUT, if you trust your GM to stay put and draft the right player a #3, then you should trust the same GM to trade back a bit and pick the right players at #12, #37, and #53. Just curious, but what if Bosa is gone and film study has Mac convinced Allen's ceiling is Quinton Coples? Should he stay put and draft Allen anyway just to make TGG happy? Or trade back, take a different edge guy, and pick up 2 second round picks in the process? Our understanding of the top 10 guys is about 1% of the understanding that Mac has. Especially when it comes to QBs.
Trading up last year did give us at least a potential franchise QB. Mac didn't even have to do that, however, as he could have drafted one of Mahomes or Watson in 2017. Both were sitting right there at the Jets' pick and he passed on both, but that's another discussion. Trading up for a QB is one thing. In general, the only other two positions I'd trade up for without limitations or reservation are LT and Edge Rusher. I also might trade up for a #1 WR or #1 CB, but it would have to be a very special player at that position and there would have to be a glaring need for that position that we had not been able to fill for several years, and the cost would have to be reasonable. The only other time I'd trade up for any other position would be if I already had a playoff caliber team and we only had one glaring need, and I could fill that need with a great prospect who could put us over the top; otherwise, I'm not trading up for any other position. If we stay put at 3, and maybe even if we traded down a little, we can take an elite edge rushing prospect. There are no great LT prospects in this draft, so there's no need to trade up for an LT. What position do you see as so important that you'd trade up? A #1 WR I could almost understand, except next year's WR class is supposed to be very good as well, maybe even better than this one. We can't fill every starting position need this year anyway. A starting caliber C I could understand, as I'm very concerned about that position, but my friend KurttheJetFan says that next year's class is going to be a great class for OL. As long as Mac can sign a camp cut (probably an older player) as a one-year stop gap and that will be a clear upgrade over Harrison, I can wait until next year to draft that center. I totally get your emphasis on having a quality starter over depth, but the thing is that injuries are part of the game. One can't have great players at every position. Some positions will have to be a little weaker than others. The better teams often have better depth players than we have starters, and if one of their starters goes out, there isn't much of a drop off in the level of play. With us, it's usually an awful drop off. Plus, what happens if you use two picks to trade up to get one player and then he busts? Then it really hurts. If you draft two players in the 3rd round, you increase your chances of at least getting quality depth/role player, and some even turn into solid, if not very good starters. I would have no problems with trading up for our future LT in next year's draft, or if one falls to us at our pick, and we have the opportunity to trade up for #1 WR prospect, then fine. The team would hopefully have better depth, and better-developed players at that point and ready to be truly competitive with the addition of a couple of key starters. We might eke into the playoffs this season, but I don't see us going anywhere this year, so I see no need to try to push or rush things and trade up this year. We've added great players in Bell, Mosley and to a lesser extent Crowder. Use the draft to fill holes and needs with solid players, improve the overall talent and speed on the team. Next year we can complete the OL rebuild and hopefully add a #1 WR prospect and really be ready to soar.
I don't watch a lot of college fb but had that same exact thought. Some of these skinnier but fast guys don't pan out
Good post. The idea that in this particular draft there are can't miss at the front of the draft is really insane. Anyone who is a Jets fan knows that John Abraham at 13 was 10X the player Vernon Gholston was at 6. Chris Ward was taken at 4, compared to Mangold at 29. Revis was probably the most dominating position player the Jets ever drafted not named Joe Namath. He was drafted at 14. Never forget the trade up to take Dwayne Roberson. We gave up 13 and could have taken Troy Polomalu, we gave up a 22nd and Dallas Clark, Larry Johnson and Asowugha were all on the board at 22. What if Bosa is there we take him and his injury history continues... The guy played in 3 games last year. Mac had an excellent draft last year. If he has an excellent draft this year, he's suddenly a great drafter.
Exactly. Just because someone is at the top of THIS years draft, doesn't make them 'special'. For example, if the 'can't miss' QB's in this year's draft were in last year's draft, they may have been day 2 picks. Same applies to edge rushers. Generational guys like Vonn Miller are once-in-10-years type guys. But the other 9 drafts have guys at the top too. But they ain't Vonn Miller. They're Quinton Couples and Vernon Gholston. No one's saying Bosa/Allen are Couples/Gholston. Just saying because they're at the top of the draft doesn't in itself make them special. It's up to Macc to figure it all out!
In 2012 the Jets scouted Ingram and the rumor was we would even move up to take him. He was on the board when we took Couples. Couples was taken because Rex liked his personal workout and thought he could turn him into the next Terrell Suggs. Of course Tannenbaum, unlike Mac was really a cap guy and contracts lawyer. I suspect the current coaching staff will have a lot of impact on who we draft but unlike Tannenbaum, Mac will make the final decision on the pick.
In theory I would agree, but two counterpoints 1: the odds of getting a superstar are much higher at 3 than at 12 and we'd have a superstar on a rookie deal which would really help 2: this particular GM has shown no aptitude (or has the world's worst luck) picking in the range you cite. IMO the risk/reward is skewed. If Mac demonstrated any ability to draft outside the top 6 I could be swayed, but at present the record is Herndon, Maye (who is hurt a lot) and a bunch of junk
of the likely options at #3 the only one that will leave me feeling unhappy is if we take Williams (if for no other reason than our track record when drafting defensive linemen high is terrible, though to be fair our drafting generally is pretty terrible, almost makes me glad we don't have a second round pick so I don't need to see us blow it)
