Perez in 04 was pretty much better then Glavine's ever been, even in his prime. So if he can come anywhere close to that I'd say he could adequately fill in for Glavine at this point.
First of all what Perez did in 04 can pretty much be considered a fluke at this point. To argue that if player X could return anywhere close to the best he's ever pitched in his career (despite no evidence he's even close to that form) then we're in good shape is a flimsy argument. Secondly Glavine pitched better the O.P's 2004 season for pretty much 8 seasons in a row from 1991 to 1998. thus the Cy Youngs, WS MVP, tons of wins, and more importantly an amazing ERA. Those years punched his ticket to the HoF.
Wow, this sucks for you guys. I just saw this on ESPN. Hopefully it is just a pinched nerve or something minor.
I guess I have to concede the Cy Young years, but other then those 2 I think its certainly open to debate, and IMO Perez's peripherals put him over the top. And yes, Glavine was great in the 95-96 postseasons but of course that was over 10 years ago.
Just hope it's nothing like Aaron Cook experienced. We need Tommy back and healthy come playoff time.
So outside of when he's better then Perez.... he isn't. :wink: Peripherals like being one of the best hitters and fielders in the league for his position? Or like big game experience? Or consistency? Or clubhouse presence? We're comparing a 30 game stretch from a guy who can now barely stay in the major leagues to a guy who has a hall of fame career... me thinks this is a bit ridiculous. Glavine has had a rough second half, no doubt, but comparing these two over their careers or even over the past 6 months is a onesided argument.
Who's comparing their careers? Yes, Perez has been inconsistent, but he's also shown that he can be great. Glavine was pitching poorly, and over a couple game stretch like a few playoff starts I absolutely think Perez can "replace" Glavine in the rotation if the Mets get lucky with him.
At this point it's certainly wishful thinking that Perez will come in and suddenly be a star, but it's also unrealistic at this point to think that Glavine was going to pitch like it was 1996. Hopefully for Glavine's sake this is not as bad as it could be.
Well when you're comparing a guys best 30 games which happened 2 years ago and you're saying it's better then another guy "has ever been"... you're pretty much opening up the argument up to career numbers. One can argue that Glavine too has been great at times this season (and more often then Perez) and clearly Perez has pitched poorly for the majority of the past two years. I'd rather take Glavine then hope a guy with a +6 ERA and no post season experience can capture lightning in a bottle for 4 weeks based on smething he did in 2004. Essentially you're throwing out everything TG has done this season (and his career) and saying because he's had a rough second half some kid with potential is a better choice if he gets lucky... it doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm not asking him to pitch like it was 1996... I'm asking him to pitch like it was April and May of 2006 which is perfectly reasonable and possible. He doesn't need to be an MVP to be a much better choice then Perez right now.
I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I'm much more likely to believe a 24 year old kid with no injury problems will be able to pull it back together then a 40 year old with a blood clot in his arm.
We don't even know how serious Glavine's injury is first of all... but if he is healthy enough to pitch he is a much better option then Perez even when he's not in top form. It amazes me that somebody who puts such a negative spin on everything chooses Oliver Perez to look for the silver lining! I'm much more likely to believe a guy who's been one of the best in baseball for years, including the the second half of last year and the first half of this year can regain his form then a guy who's pitching in AAA because he got bombed out of the major leagues and lost his stuff.
I'm guessing we can believe this ESPN board guy at this point that Glavine's season is indeed likely over. Although maybe the clot will turn out to be less serious then they think. Anyway, it's no secret that I've never been a big Glavine fan, just when I was starting to come around this year he pulled the rug out from under me. I absolutely don't trust him with the ball in the postseason. As far as Perez, it's really too early to say anything. We can assume that Perez is going to be given a chance to see what he can do at the ML level over the next couple weeks, and then we'll see.
It's not too early to say he's been awful the past two years and his "stuff" is diminishing at this point. That's more then enough evidence for me to say that he is not a replacement for our #2 pitcher. Can he turn it around at some point? Possibly but the playoffs (which he has never been part of before) doesn't sound like a great option for a try out to me.
gotta give props to glavines "brother" and NYJetFan37 for breaking the news that may destroy our season.
Put me down with the faction that thinks this could be a positive. Glavines wonderful career is not the issue, his postseason is. It's bad for Glavine, he's a good guy and everything, but the whole clubhouse leader mumbo jumbo is just that. How can he lead when he gets tagged for 450 foot homers in the first inning every start? He's been awful, and for a long time now. If Perez is killing in the minors bring him up and give him the ball......and Glavine was going back to Atlanta to win his 300th no matter what. It's another Olerud situation - his family wants to be there. I've always felt that. So, if it's true that his year is over, thanks Tommy. You were a good Met, but you weren't THAT f'ing good.
According to Buster Olney, David Wells cleared waivers. Maybe the Mets will show some interest in him to help fill the possible void created by Glavine.
