I remember a curved stick penalty in the 1993 SC finals btw Montreal and LA, not an ejection. those other examples players were caught in the act, the football was not property of Brady so even w/ slight deflation they didn't know if Brady was the one that did it.
So the ball boys went rogue and just deflated the game balls for shits and giggles? Come on. While Brady may not have been directly involved in HOW it got done (this can't be verified because Brady won't hand over his texts), he was certainly the driving force in WHETHER it got done. When it doesn't get done, he bitches them out - Hence all the texts about what an asshole he is. The Patriot Way is leaving no stone unturned to gain an advantage and having oversight over every little detail. He wanted his balls flatter than what the rules allowed and these guys were just carrying out his order. As far as punishment, the entire organization has been defiant in denying ANY wrongdoing, which has forced the league to spend millions on an investigation. They are STILL denying wrongdoing even though they have fired the ball boys and accepted one of the most strict organizational punishments in league history. They have not cooperated. They have not admitted anything. As a result, they are getting a more severe punishment. These denials factor into the punishment because they damage the shield.
Yup. And the Cubs equipment manager corked Sammy Sosa's bat. He was shocked and aghast that someone would do that without his knowledge or at his direction. Oh the naivette being resorted to in order to bolster a failed argument. _
they don't have proof Brady did it unlike walking out to the mound and finding sandpaper or pine tar on the player. we know Brady lied, we know he broke this minor rule but they didn't have evidence to eject him from the game so that comparison is beyond silly. he should be suspended for lying.
which teams? please post links. was Baltimore one of them? why did Indy wait until just before the title game?
When Brady mans up and stops being a douche of A human will be a first. Maybe he's in denial of his whole existence
I don't know the man, can't say he is a douche of a human and I certainly won't say that based on slight deflation of footballs.
There was a major penalty assessed per rule book and Montreal scored goals on that power play. Kings were not awarded didly poo they lost the cup final because of this event
LA did not lose b/c of that, Montreal won 4-1, hard to blame the series on one 5 minute penalty. that led to Montreal winning Game 2 in OT, Games 3 and 4 also went to OT.
The texts by him to the equipment guys after the game are proof enough that he knew. Why would he be telling the guy not to worry and that everything would be OK? If there were shenanigans going on why would he even get involved at all?....because they were doing it on his instructuons. He did say in an interview years before he likes the balls underinflated. This is such a layup. They were fined, had draft picks taken away, and Brady was suspended.
I love when posters who have dumped on hockey (both live and on TV) and never watch it go back and Google a game or a series from 1993 and try to make it seem like they remember it like it was yesterday. Most serious hockey fans and even McSorley admits that penalty was the tipping point in them losing that Cup. But a non-hockey fan will ignore history and explain why--what everyone believes, even the culprit-- that's not the case based on Google searches on the Internet. Btw, my college roommate is a Kings STH, plays golf with Rogie Vachon and that penalty still pisses him off. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. _
that is somewhat proof thought it can be taken out of context and they did suspend him based partly on those texts. the point was another poster brought up other examples in other sports and players were ejected. how could they possibly have ejected him w/ no proof he did anything at the time? I don't remember that but I remember the Isles losing to Montreal after that huge upset of 2 time defending champ Pitt.
We are free to believe whether the penalty was major or minor and whether it had a large impact or a negligible impact on the games. But only a naive child or someone with an agenda being intentionally obtuse would try to argue that Brady didn't know about it and had no hand in it. This is a board about opinions. Without proof, all we can do is guess. If your guess is that Brady had nothing to do with it? That's embarrassing. _
yes, that play in game 2 of the finals clearly was the difference in the series and it forced LA to lose Games 3 and 4 in OT based on it. Just like Jeffrey Maier cost the Orioles the '96 ALCS
The "proof required" is minimal - more probable than not. His statements that he likes his balls a certain way is evidence His statements that he likes them flat is evidence The texts are incredibly damning evidence of his knowledge and direction of these clowns - They are acting at his direction! The evidence that the balls were manipulated after they were tested pregame is evidence The evidence that the balls were, in fact, below legal limits during the game is evidence His refusal to cooperate is indicative of his guilt There is plenty of "proof" there to satisfy a more probable than not standard. He could've gotten off with a slap on the wrist if he had said "Wow. I had no idea these guys were doing it this way. I take full responsibility and will cooperate fully" and then did, in fact, cooperate. That's what Atlanta did (crowd noise). That's what Cleveland did (texting sideline). That's what the Jets did (Woody tampering). But instead, all we have from Brady and the Pats is denials, deflation "science", non cooperation, and a big "Fuck you, prove it". They deserve to be punished more severely as they have accepted no accountability for this.
well if it pisses off someones college roommate who is a Kings STH and plays golf w/ someone no one remembers then it must be true!
we know he did it. the point was another poster posted about players being ejected in other sports. if a guy has a corked bat that is his property and he is responsible, easy to eject. if a guy has pine tar- easy to eject, a curved stick- easy to penalize. how were they supposed to eject Brady based on those footballs? he lied, there is ZERO doubt he did it and lied about and that is why he was suspended but they couldn't eject him in the title game.
