To those "we need wr people" Can you guys give it up already.

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  1. Serphnx

    Serphnx New Member

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    How many rings does Barry Sanders own? RB is not important clearly. How many rings does Marino own? Clearly QB is not important.

    Stop man, that's just stupid. Most of the guys you listed haven't even finished their careers. Why don't you talk about Jerry Rice, probably the best WR of all time, how many rings does he have?
     
  2. macbk

    macbk Well-Known Member

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    Wait, what?

    Cotchery has 4 solid years left? That's it?
     
  3. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    How many rings does Jerry Rice, Stallworth, Irvin and Swan have. How about Burress?

    We are not a running team we don't have a running personality and we have one excellent possession WR in Cotch an over the hill former excellent WR in Coles and a pass catching TE who has great potential who has killed as many drives with dropes as extended them and was benched last week in a huge spot for this team.
     
  4. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Exactly. Cotch needs someone to be the CJ to his Housh.

    I was going to reiterate the rest of what you said, but I wrote this sentence instead.
     
  5. jets94nj

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    Well Said!!!!!
     
  6. jets94nj

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    We arent a running team????
    OK leading rusher in afc..
     
  7. jets94nj

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    He'll be in his 9th season by then... Drafted in 2004..
     
  8. jets94nj

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    He was cut because when you have Jennings, Driver and Lee you could afford to let a decent guy go to fill a more important area.
     
  9. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    Talent is talent. Weapons are weapons. We need a dynamic wide receiver if we want our offense to take it to the next level. Coles and Cotchery are both very good receivers, but they would be much better suited across from guys who command more attention. Santana Moss would look great opposite Cotchery, actually, even though I like Laveranues.

    The quarterback hasn't helped. It's as much if not more of a problem than Favre, and I throw Schottenheimer into that problem as well. And a team doesn't need a receiver to win the Super Bowl, but it's the easiest way to immediately improve the offense, and if we score more points, obviously, our chance of winning would improve as well.
     
  10. packerbacker1234

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    yeah. Plexico Burress had nothing to do with the Giants not only winning a Super Bowl, but getting there right? Clearly he did not domiante in the NFC Champion game and pretty much single handidly be the entire offense.

    Also, clearly, Jerry Rice had no role in winning SB's. He wasn't important to the offense. The guys you listed, throughout there careers, have either A: been a cancer, or B: Not had a good QB throwing the ball to them. Look and BOldin and Fitzgerald, been a QB carosel.

    Btw, didn't TO get a Ring with Steve Young in San Fran. I seem to recall him being on the roster when Jerry Rice got a no call fumble to beat the packers and send them to the super bowl.
     
  11. GBA

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    see Bruce, Isaac
     
  12. Serphnx

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    Well, considering Leon gets 1-3 carries a game, and TJ (and Leon combined, although that doesn't mean much) haven't topped 25 carries in a single game, you can't say it is a running team. Hell, how many rushes were there last week, 11 total? This team likes to dink and dunk. It's not a passing team either since Favre doesn't have any games with 300 yards passing all season.

    It's just a terrible offense. It only scores points against crappy teams and when the defense or ST hands them the ball with a short field, which you really can't expect. Not even the Ravens O expects that out of their defense. The Steelers D just scores on defense, but that D is just ridiculous so they don't count.
     
  13. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Teams that run the ball don't rank 16th in attempts or have the leading rusher in the NFL and rank 9th in rushing, that's if we actually had the leading rusher in the league which we don't.

    In 2004 we had a running team. We ranked third in attempts and 3rd in yards.

    Nobody watching the Jets play and leave so many third and 4th in shorts in the hands of the QB believes we are a team that philosophically runs the ball or even that we have confidence that we can get 2 yards on the ground when we need 2 yards. We get chunks on the ground because we are a pass first O.

    TN, the Giants, Carolina, Minny and the Ravens are running teams that don't care how well you defend the run they will run on you in run situtations, third and short with the box loaded, etc., etc., etc. The Jets are not a running team. Our OC doesn't believe that our running game is good enough to run in running situations when the D is defending the run despite having a running back who is in the top 10 in rushing.

    The team we play on Sunday runs the ball more than we do. Philosophically this team believes in defending the pass with a flooded defensive backfield and running the ball in passing situations. We are a gutless team that has zero belief in power football on either side of the ball. We lack a true deep threat on top of it. Teams look at tape at the way we play and lack any sense of fear from us. We are winning with a very talented OL and DL and a very weak philosophical program. Our one weapon Leon Washington hardly gets any touches in the O.
     
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    I don't get why some people have such a hard time understanding that. Coles and Cotch age good WR's as you say, but a tall, speedy WR who can go up and grab just about anything thrown his way is a QB's best friend (after a solid OL).
     
  15. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    Take a look at the best teams in the NFL this season:

    Tenessee, Giants, Steelers - where is the dominating WR???

    Take a look at teams that have won recent SB (don't give me names from the 70s and 80s - it was a different game then)

    2007 Giants
    2006 Steelers
    2005 Colts
    2004 Pats
    2003 Pats
    2002 Bucs
    2001 Pats
    2000 Ravens

    The success of all of those teams had nothing to do with a dominating WR, or a dominating passing game for that matter. The common denominator is defense. In fact, most of those teams had pedestrian WRs. And don't tell me the Colts won because of their passing game. They won because a horrible defense team got some players back and played lights out defense for 3 straight games in the playoffs. In today's NFL, WRs are just not that important. The Jets don't need receivers. The Jets need a pass rush!!!! That is what wins playoff games - getting in the face of the opponents QB. The only time the Jets see the opposition QB is in the post game handshake. That is the main problem with this team, not Coles and Cotchery.

    And, for the record, for the past 10 years or so, the leading receivers - the superstar receivers in the NFL have won nothing.
     
  16. FOURTHANDLONG

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    I agree with this to some degree. We need a pass rush more than anything else but the Steelers and Giants have two great receivers. Hines Ward might be going to the Hall of Fame one day and Plax when he is not getting into trouble is arguably the second or third best receiver in the game. His absence will derail the Giants. A guy with blazing speed to run under farves bombs or a big target in the redzone changes the face of a game. We have good Offensive players but Leon is our only gamechanger.
     
  17. Jtuds

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    I am going to take a guess at TJ's last name.....Houshmanzadeh

    I think that's it.
     
  18. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    im pretty sure Plax pretty much beat the Packers all by himself last year in the NFC Championship, 10 clutch catches? WRs have been very important in superbowl runs...
     
  19. SameOldJets2008

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    uhmmmm A ILB that can cover 1
    2 a FREAKING PASSRUSHER
    3 a Safety to pair with rhodes.
    4 QB???????
    5. oline depth
    6. WR



    thats about where the need is for a wr
     
  20. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    and btw Hines Ward is a dominating receiver, the best blocking WR in the game, you don't have to catch every pass to be a dominating receiver it takes more then that, you take a look at that list, Hines Ward, Deion Branch, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison fuck even Keyshawn Johnson ... Honestly besides maybe Cotchery who do you trust on an important 3rd down play? Coles had some incredible plays, but I dont mind a nice tall WR to help out
     

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