Chad, when healthy, is very good and he's healthy so assuming he's healthy theree's little doubt we'd be at worst 5-2 right now. We SHOULD beat Miami and we should have dones so w/o it coming down to an incredible INT in the EZ. Right now Miami is playing much better football than we are, their O is getting better while ours is getting worse. AGAIN, that doesn't mean it will end up that way. I HOPE Favre gets it going and I THINK he will but I keep expecting him to get better and it hasn't happened YET.
I guess I'm confused on your definition of "very good". Chad had a "very good" year in 2002. You could maybe argue he had a "good" year in 2004. I for the life of me cannot see how years 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007 can be anything above "mediocre" by your standards. He threw 1 TD/INT in all those years. How all that adds up to "very good" unless the ONLY season you look at was 2002, is completely beyond me. I'm not trying to argue that Brett is playing great this year. He needs to play better. I'm just pointing out hes essentially playing at the same level Penny always has here.
Junc has a double standard when it comes to Penny years vs. Favre years in terms of what is a "good" year and what is a "bad" year. He loves Penny and is a Penny homer and he's mad we dumped Penny for Favre.
I get that, I'd totally respect his saying he just plain likes Penny more. I'd say the same for Favre over Rodgers. I just like him more. But I can still totally understand why they moved on, and I've accepted it and support Rodgers.
I don't see how you can say that when he has 15 TDs through 7 games and Pennington basically averaged that for a season. Even if he were to thow 24 picks, that doesn't translate into 24 TDs for the other team. 32 Tds 24 picks is not equal to playing at the same level as 16 Tds and 12 picks. YOu scored 112 more points through the air. How many more points did the other team score because of those 12 extra picks. 50? So thats 62 to the good (and 50 is probably a high number)
I am not going to get into the "we'd be better off with Penny" debate. But I do think that he is having a much better season then Farve with his new team. If Farve plays great and beats Buffalo this weekend I will retract that. Until then - Penny is doing better.
He had a great year in '02, good in '03, very good in '04 until his injury, inureed in '05, decent in '06, bad in '07. He's had 1 bad year and he was playing hurt w/ no OL. Playing QB is not all about fantasy #s which is why a guy like Chad is a better QB then guys like Daunte Culpepper or Trent Green. Chad led us to 3 postseasons, he is the ONLY QB in our HISTORY to start in 3 different postseasons. The only years he struggled were years he was hurt and durability was his main flaw. If he was durable he'd be on the games best QBs and how is favre playing like Chad? When was Chad an INT machine? when did Chad keep us from winning? First off one is a lock HOFer and one will never get there. Is it fair to put them on the same level when comparing them? Next, Chad has been better than Favre this decade when HEALTHY. He has done better in a tougher division and conference. It's not all about fantasy #s, Brett has good fantasy #s this year but in reality he's had a poor season SO FAR. I HOPE Brett ends up having a better year than Chad but considering we dumped Chad to get Brett don't you think it should have been a given Favre would be better? I have accepted it but it's still frustrating watching Favre play and in GB's case it's easier to move on b/c you have a promising YOUNG player at QB. We have a 1 MAYBE 2 year window now before developing another QB. Most of those #s came in 1 1/4 games. He hasn't been consistent, the #s are skewed a bit and you aren't takeing into account how much he is hurting our Defense w/ all the turnovers.
Gator, I'm just pointing out that there is not much evidence to support that Favre is hurting this teams chances of winning, since he is putting up comparable numbers to Penny's over his 6 years here. I would agree with you that I would take 32 TD's and 32 picks any day over 16 TD's to 16 picks. With only 16 TD through the air, your team better have a LOT of rushing TD's. Otherwise it would be hard to say that your offense is playing to WIN rather than playing NOT TO LOSE.
How is Favre playing like Chad??? Did you even read my post? I'm not being like you and only looking at seasons where Chad played a certain way. In ALL of Chad's years here, he was a 0.500 starter, and he had a 1.43 TD/INT ratio. Favre is 4-3 with a 1.36 TD/INT ratio. Where is your magical dropoff? Its just simply not there. You can't just throw out 4 of Chad's 6 seasons and make your argument. Especially if you always seem to throw out Favre's AZ performance. Please, at least stay consistent. I could just as easily throw out year 2002 for Penny and then he just plain looks MEDIOCRE AT BEST.
This is the point that gets lost. All we heard is what a huge upgrade it would be and there's Chad not only having arguably a better year but doing it in our division against the teams that are beating us. It's aggravating. I hope it changes too, but you can't fault us for pointing it out.
Im not faulting you for pointing it out. I'm faulting junc for saying the Jets would be 6-1 or AT WORST 5-2. Especially when he justifies it by using Chads one great year and throwing out Favre's one great game. Lets not forget, I'm a Packer fan, so I can relate to what you are feeling. Luckily Rodgers is having a more solid year at this point. Sure, Penny is in your division, and I know that would suck. I can understand him just saying he wishes the Jets had not traded for Favre. But to really think that this team would be 6-1 with Chad is just not supportable. I'm not sure, but I doubt Chad has ever lead the Jets to 6-1, probably not even 5-2. Is this team really that much better than years past that he would magically lead them to 6-1? And sure Chad and the dolphins beat the Chargers and SD that we lost to. But wait? Didn't we beat the Cardinals(who the fins lost to BADLY) and the Dolphins themselves? Didn't the Dolphins lose to the 0-3 Texans? Don't we hold a 1 game lead over the Dolphins (w/ tie breaker and homefield for next MIA matchup)? This year there is clearly no dominant AFCE team.
The only poor year where Chad was healthy enough to play was 2007. Not much evidence? Week 1 fumbles as we are driving for a score, cannot put points on the board to put Miami away, cannot even lead us to a 1st down or 2 on our last drive to ice instead we have to rely on an incredible INT by Revis to seal the win. Week 2 his INT deep in our territory leads to NE's ONLY TD. He only leads us to 10 pts. Week 3, given 7-0 lead by D throws one back for a TD and another INT in a stretch of 4 straight TOs. Led us to 7 points in 3 qtrs and the only TD drive we had was a 4 yarder. Vs. Cincy, fumble leads to early 7-0 hole, throws 2 more INTs that hurt us as we had to sweat out a W in the 4th qtr against an awful team minus their starting QB. At Oak INT in EZ, can only lead us to 13 pts in regulation against one of the league's worst D's then has THREE cracks in OT and cannot get us in FG range. vs. KC, throws THREE INTs including one that almost cost us the game. Needed a TD in the final minute against an awful football team. Nah, there's no evidence. Let's ignore the facts and instead point to some garbage time TDs or the ONE good game he had vs. Ari. After all one great game makes it ok to have 6 mediocre to bad games, right?
Please stop. Next thing your going to say is CP's all time passer rating is Hall Of fame Worthy. If CP were here we would be 2-5.
If only he had dried up and blown away on the wind... never to play professional ball again. *sigh* :rofl: Oh, wait, that is right. That is what everyone said would have happened when he left the Jets. Nobody would want him... he'd never start... never be worth pooh. God $#!@$ Pennington, always making liars out of people!!! hmy::smile:
I don't justify it by using Chad's one great year. Outside of last year when he was playing hurt and had no OL all Chad did was win when he started. In all the seasons where he played at least 3/4 of games we made the postseason. I have NO DOUBT we'd be AT LEAST 5-2 if he was our QB. Chad's current team has half the talent we have, they shouldn't be w/in a game of us right now.
I can't convince you that Porter's 10.5 sacks is a MAJOR factor. Probably can't convince you that Ronnie Brown healthy all season so far has been a factor. Lets see just how much of a factor game by game that Penny has been shall we? game 1: NYJ L 20-14 2 TDs 1 INT Throws game clinching INT. If favre was mediocre this game, so was Penny. MEDIOCRE game 2: @ Arizona L 31-10, 0 TD 0 INT Was the towel boy out there for this game? Can we even rate him? was he even a factor? game 3: @ NE W 38-13 1 TD 0 INT Please dont try and argue that Penny's arm set up the run game. Mediocre game 4 SD W 17-10 1 TD 0 INT Mediocre game 5: @ HOU L 29-28, 2 TD 1 INT Couldnt seal the game earlier, gave HOU a chance to comeback and win. Sound like Favre game1? Mediocre game 6: BAL L 27-13, 1 TD 1 INT Hmm loss at home. Not a factor by any means. Mediocre game 7: BUF W 25-16, 1 TD 0 INT Mediocre Wow, he has 6 mediocre and 1 UNABLE TO RATE. In exactly 0 of Penny's 7 games this year did he throw for enough points to win ANY game. And this is the guy that is playing SOOO much better and is the MOST important part of the 3-4 resurgence. Give me a break. Both Favre and Penny need to play better. You cannot say that Favre 2TD 0INT game against the Fins is mediocre and then try and say that Penny is playing great this year. Penny hasn't had a 2 more TD's than INT's in ANY game this year.
Dude, the phins dont throw in the red zone much. They dont need to with the success of their red zone running game. So its not a big stat to say that Chad has not thrown for many TDs. He has ran the Miami offense 10 times better then Farve has run the Jets offense. And not many people would consider a 300+ passing day with one TD and no INT's a mediocre performance. It shows a lot of bias on your part.
When did I say Porter wasn't a factor? He obviously has been, I never said Chad did all by himself but he's been the biggest factor. The D overall hasn't been great and Ronnie Brown has had just 2 good games. Their running game is averging less than 4 YPC and he has no WRs to throw to. Game 1: It was amazing Chad even had Miami in that game. Game 2: not a good game, it happens. Game 3: he was very good but obviously it was the ground game that won it. Game 4: You just look at fantasy #s, Chad was very good and helped his team beat a team that Fvare looked like a pop warner QB against. Chad was 22-29, very efficient. Game 5: he led his team on a TD drive to take a 6 pt lead w/ under 2 mins left but unlike Favre's D last weeek Chad's D didn't save the game. Game 6: had a Favre like INT for a TD, didn't play great but he's not supposed to have his team at 5-2 or 6-1. game 7: Medicore? You are showing me you do not understand the game.he was 22-30 and led his team to a win over the 1st place team.
