Matt Light was drafted in the high second round, hes their starting left tackle for all 3 super bowls I believe. Their current RT, Logan Mankins, was their first round pick of a year ago (who the 'experts' called a major reach, I think he started for them all year anyway). Damien Woody, Patriots center for I believe 2 of 3 super bowls, was their first round pick in 1999. They drafted T Adrian Klemm in the second round in 2000, he never panned out, hes with the Packers now. Its nice that you at least make an effort to put some fact into your posts, but your facts are pretty much wrong here.
Heres another one...whats the question..name a team that drafted 2 offensive lineman in the first round? How many teams a year get 2 first round picks...how many teams had an offensive line as bad as the Jets at the end of the season. Heres one for you..name a team that drafted two running backs...two receivers....and went to the superbowl...used two first round picks for a receiver and went to the superbowl. I will wait as long as you will...its an absurd analogy. I will tell you a team that drafted two defensive lineman...a quarterback..and a tight end...and didnt go to the superbowl...the Jets..does that count?
By the way, of this last years super bowl participants, 3 Steelers starting offensive lineman were former first round picks (Hartings, Simmons and Faneca, which is a center and 2 guards by the way). The Seahawks had 3 in Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson, and Chris Spencer, a tackle, a guard and a center. Its true that sometimes you can catch offensive linemen elsewhere or develop your own. But its also true that the elite prospects are found high in the draft, and successful teams are no exception.
Your question is flawed and one-sided, which is why no one cares to answer it. You want to know what those teams did to win? They addressed their biggest needs intelligently and patiently and meticulously and built from the ground up. Which is what our guys are doing. Not jumping like a hyena with electrodes attached to it's balls every time they hear the word "playmaker". Level heads prevail, and our guys haven't blinked yet, as far as I can see.
Yea, I agree with you here, you have to look at the value of the pick, Leinart is not a lock to be Manning or Brady.
DAMN YOU, tom, I knew I should have read further into the thread. You said everything I wanted to say but 10 times better.
The Eagles went to the Superbowl and have been the the Championship 3 times before that... Here is there coach and philosophy... ? When Eagles head coach and former offensive lineman/grunt Andy Reid says he believes you build a football team from the inside out -- stocking the offensive and defensive lines first -- the big lug means it. Philly's first four picks were all linemen: Florida State defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley in the first round, USC offensive tackle Winston Justice in the second round (a great value at No. 39 for the projected first-round pick), Cal-Poly defensive end Chris Gocong in the third round and Georgia guard Max Jean-Gilles in the fourth round. The Eagles didn't even think about a skill position until taking Michigan receiver Jason Avant with their second fourth-round selection, 109th overall.
Hall of Fame offensive lineman and where they were drafted: For guys who either played before the draft existed or played in the AAFC before joining the NFL I entered "N/A." Chuck Bednarik, center/linebacker- 1st round, 1st overall, 1949 Bob "Boomer" Brown, tackle- 1st round, 2nd overall, 1964 Roosevelt Brown, tackle- 27th round, 321st overall, 1953 George Connor, tackle/linebacker- 1st round, 5th overall, 1946 Lou Creekmur, tackle/guard- 26th round, 243rd overall, 1948 Joe DeLamielleure, guard- 1st round, 26th overall, 1973 Dan Dierdorf, tackle- 2nd round, 43rd overall, 1971 Turk Edwards, tackle- N/A Dan Fortmann, guard- 9th round, 78th overall, 1936 Frank Gatski, center- N/A Forrest Gregg, tackle- 2nd round, 20th overall, 1956 Lou Groza, tackle- N/A John Hannah, guard- 1st round, 4th overall, 1973 Ed Healey, tackle- N/A Mel Hein, center- N/A Wilbur Henry, tackle- N/A Cal Hubbard, tackle- N/A Stan Jones, guard/defensive tackle- 5th round, 54th overall, 1953 Walt Kiesling, guard- N/A Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, tackle- 3rd round, 18th overall, 1938 Jim Langer, center- not drafted Larry Little, guard- not drafted William Lyman, tackle- N/A Tom Mack, guard- 1st round, 2nd overall, 1966 Mike McCormack, tackle- 3rd round, 34th overall, 1951 Mike Michalske, guard- N/A Ron Mix, tackle- 1st round, 10th overall, 1960 Mike Munchak, guard- 1st round, 8th overall, 1982 Anthony Munoz, tackle- 1st round, 3rd overall, 1980 George Musso, guard/tackle- N/A Jim Otto, center- 1st round, 1960 (AFL) Steve Owen, tackle- N/A Jim Parker, guard/tackle- 1st round, 8th overall, 1957 Jim Ringo, center- 7th round, 79th overall, 1953 Bob St. Clair, tackle- 3rd round, 32nd overall, 1953 Billy Shaw, guard- 14th round, 184th overall, 1961 (NFL); 2nd round (AFL) Art Shell, tackle- 3rd round, 80th overall, 1968 Jackie Slater, tackle- 3rd round, 86th overall, 1976 Dwight Stephenson, center- 2nd round, 48th overall, 1980 Joe Stydahar, tackle- 1st round, 6th overall, 1936 George Trafton, center- N/A Clyde "Bulldog" Turner, center- 1st round, 7th overall, 1940 Gene Upshaw, guard- 1st round, 17th overall, 1967 Mike Webster, center- 5th round, 125th overall, 1974 Bill Willis, guard- N/A Other exceptional linemen: Walter Jones, tackle- 1st round, 6th overall, 1997 Jumbo Elliott, tackle- 2nd round, 36th overall, 1988 Tony Boselli, tackle- 1st round, 2nd overall, 1995 Jonathan Ogden, tackle- 1st round, 4th overall, 1996 Willie Roaf, tackle- 1st round, 8th overall, 1993 Kevin Mawae, center- 2nd round, 36th overall, 1994 Jim Lachey, tackle- 1st round, 12th overall, 1985 R.C. Thielemann, guard/center- 2nd round, 36th overall, 1977 Larry Allen, guard/tackle- 2nd round, 46th overall, 1994 Dermontti Dawson, center- 2nd round, 44th overall, 1988 Alan Faneca, guard- 1st round, 26th overall, 1998 Jeff Hartings, center- 1st round, 23rd overall, 1996 Jerry Kramer, guard- 4th round, 39th overall, 1958 Bruce Matthews, guard/tackle/center- 1st round, 9th overall, 1983 Dick Stanfel, guard- 2nd round, 19th overall, 1951 Jack Stroud, tackle/guard- 5th round, 61st overall, 1951 Mick Tingelhoff, center- not drafted Ron Yary, tackle- 1st round, 1st overall, 1968 Chris Spencer, center- 1st round, 26th overall, 2005 Steve Hutchinson, guard- 1st round, 17th overall, 2001 Orlando Pace, tackle- 1st round, 1st overall, 1997 Jammal Brown, tackle- 1st round, 13th overall, 2005 Logan Mankins, guard- 1st round, 32nd overall, 2005
Wow, that really is a great post that is dead on. History has shown that there are many ways to build a winner and the draft, there isn't just one way to do it.
Whatever, let the doubters say what they will. When we have a HEALTHY qb, and a HEALTHY rb putting up outstanding numbers every year, we'll listen to them jump on the bandwagon then. Let's face it, you can't make most New Yorker's happy! Oh well! I'm happy! For those who aren't....tough titty..
You are the man, Absentia. We did the right thing. Let's not forget about the Redskins' 2007 2nd Round pick. Acquiring that made my head spin. It's all part of building and it doesn't get done without addressing the lines first.
playmakers are not playmakers without an offensive line, Leinart would have been dead behind the line we had before this draft. We did an excelent job drafting IMO. We NEEDED OLineman, and we filled that need, very well if you ask me. You can take Peyton Manning and put him behind the line we had, and he'd look horrible.
EXACTLY!!! We got their second and sixth this year, AND their second next year. Then We still got the guy we wanted. We are building our team the right way. Kudos to the FO. We finally have people in there that get it..
Now tell me how many of those teams won Superbowls. You cannot count Ogden because the year the Ravens won the Superbowl the offense was averaging 13 points a game. The defense won that year for the whole team.
Um.. the first person to touch the ball IS the center. And if the center doesn't get the ball into the QB's hands.... um, you don't have a play.
What happened to the team when they lost McNabb? THEY LOST! They had the same line tell me why they could not win? It is not always the line. Go on explain why the Eagles crapped out when McNabb went down?
