IF after signing Sanchez and Greene w have some money left give an extra 600'000 to TJ (so this years he earns 1.5 mill) but next year he can't have more then 2 mill... we need cap space to re-sign Mangold and D'brick (who will otherwise earn 12 mill in the 2010 season).
Runnign back is by far the easiest position to transfer skills from the NCAA to NFL. Our Staff feels strongly about Greene as a runner, eveidenced by the trade up on draft day. That said, you give Greene reps this season, and if looks ready to take the Job, Jones is done in the offseason, if he bombs, we are on the hook to pay Jones the 6 mill next year. It is a gamble, but one that has a higher chance of paying off then not. You keep pointing to Jones 1100 yards like its a great achivement. Its not a bad feat, but he still got just 3.6 per carry and 1 TD. If you want to put the good side up, also look at the bad. He looked like shit with that line. The only reason he amassed yards was he got a ton of carries. His long was 36 Yards and he did not score much at all. If he got so much better with the new line, I'm assuming its the line, not the back we need to keep. He is average/slightly above average, not Barry Sanders. He is a good one cut runner that Lacks breakaway speed. He is hard nosed and by all accounts a good teamate, but I'm all for having a guy leave a bit early as opposed to stay too long. Jones time as a Jet had its ups and downs but unless Greene is awful its almost over.
Not trying to nitpick here, Murrell.....but in 2007, Jones had more carries (310) than he did in 2008 (290) and his YPC average was 3.6...his worst since 2002. Granted...he did reach 1100 yards....but you could argue that Mangini kept feeding him the ball. Jones is a great player.....BUT.....he signed a contract. He should honor the terms. It's not like he's being paid minimum wage.
Adding in info in the debate is not nit picking, but all good. I'm sure Murrell and I are just bantering back and fourth with oppoiste opinions, but happy to be having an actualy football debate in the offseason and not another thread about pizza and polar bears. :smile:
Absolutely. Like I said in another thread awhile back I love talking football and debating point with counter point. And I have no problem with your points at all. And you have been very classy and it's much appreciated considering one off my back and forths awhile back.
Everyone keeps saying Jones signed a contract and he should honor it but we all know if the terms don't change Jones will be released without seeing a dime from the fourth season. He's earned every bit that he's received so far. Why is it fair for the Jets to not honor their end of the deal in everyones eyes here?
I see what you're saying, Murrell.....but if the Jets were to release Jones...I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Running Backs are very replaceable in this league....unless you're an Adrian Peterson type talent that's under 30 years of age. If the same situation involved a player like Revis or Jenkins, for example....then I would share your sentiment. Because these two are vital to the team, IMO. Just my .02.
I know he had a lot of carries in 2007. And I understand that his YPC was down. Are you saying that's on him? My point is he gained 1100 yards behind a poor OL which is impressive. He stayed healthy, pounded the rock, and gained a lot of yardage. He just prooved that with a little better OL he can produce like a top level RB.
And I totally get that. The teams have the advantage over the players in most cases. I just think Jones earned to have some of his fourth year guaranteed and it may benefit us in2010 if Greene isn't ready.
And all your points are valid...i'm not disagreeing with you. My point is....why throw more money at a guy who's: 1) on the wrong side of 30 2) plays a position that's easily replaceable in the grand scheme of things 3) has an existing contract I'm not saying "Let's get rid of Thomas Jones"....i'm saying we should let him play out his contract....and allocate the money/cap space where it can be more beneficial to the team (eg Mangold's contract next year).
I'm not suggesting we extend Jones' deal past the four years we gave him, just giving him some of his 2010 salary. And the wrong side of 30?!?! I'm the same age as him. What are you saying?!?!?!
Now WHY did you have to add THAT?........ dude? I understand that this is a 2 way street - players AHVE rights as well as GM'S. And I fully understand that the BUSSINESS world is different. At the end of the day though, Jones got his money UP FRONT - He knew this when he signed and he knows it now - He needs to get his ass in camp and honor his contract. If he plays well this year, then We'll see about 2010. peace out
The Jets offered Jones a deal with a lot of upfront money and then a cap-relief year built in and then a 4th year that everybody knew was iffy at best. Jones would be 32 headed into that year and there was no reason to believe he'd even be playing then at the time the deal was signed. For Jones to now try to blackmail the Jets out of their cap relief year is just wrong. I stand with the players in most player-team disputes, however this one is so clearly in the Jets favor that it is hard not to see this as a ripoff attempt by Jones. I think it was foolosh and shortsighted of the Jets to structure the deal in a way that Jones would have leverage, however a contract is a contract and he should live up to the one he signed.
Damn well said................much better than my post but the meaning is the same....................He signed it...HONOR IT ..........period!
Well he already stated he would be at all manditory team events. He's not holding out, so there was really no reason for your saying he needs to honor it. So far he has. I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt till he misses one of the up comming practices or any camp.
I'm on board with both sides doing what they are so far. Jones has not missed any of the manditory stuff. This is not a hold out. Not yet anyway. If he starts missing the important ones then we can fine him. That will never come to pass though. ...no Players do not have to "honor the contract they signed" but they have to pay for breaking them. They gave the team the right to cut them at any time in the past CBA, thats as much on them as anyone IMO. If they want guarenteed contracts like the NHL, they would need to agree to severly restricted free agency rules like the NHL. I doubt that will every happen though.
Jones has done nothing wrong as of yet. Your making a guy the villan who has not missed a single manditory team event and stated he would be at them, your reading waaaayyyy too much into what has transpired so far.
