That's a very good point, which makes it all the more imperitive that you use F/Ageny as a tool with which to replenish the F/Agents you're going to lose! Case in point! I think too many people are judging the Jets' move this year as a team that's "burning its candle at both ends," something with a negative conotation. I think this has been a hell of a roller coaster ride since March 1, no question about it. And is Tangini in the edge with this? You betcha. But these guys are also VERY smart... and I think the moves they've made, while admittedly pushing the envelope, can be wonderful for us in the next three years or so IF they've kept a handle on the Cap costs and contracts and can juggle all the other renegotiations (like Rhodes) that will surely come along in the not-too-distant future. I think if they can handle all this (and whatever short-term repurcussions... like the Coles whining situation), I think we come out of this a much better team 18 months down the road, if not this year even.
I'de be happy with a first round OLB (only 2 come to mind), 2nd round CB and a couple of 4-7 round OLs.
You've completely missed the point. Teams want to win now every season, but don;t you think that when the team is bad, there's a smart, well though out way to do things, and a hurried, frivolous way to do things? You can't win any time if you don't approach improving your team the right way. It's 'win now', but not 'win now without thinking about what we're doing'.....cuz that approach will never work and we won't know which is the case until Week 1!!
I have to say that I'm proud of the way Tannenbaum and Mangini have place their balls on the chopping block with all this. These guys are defining themselves... right now! This can be a year in which many Jets fans look back and go, "Man, look at what Tangini did in the spring of '08, that really turned things around, man." Of course, it can go the other way too, but that's life and that's the way the "ball bounces," especially in the NFL. So what do you do? You don't build a team to "win now?" Of course not. You go balls to the wall and you build to win. I'm really pumped about all this... I think we've got a hell of a combination in Tanny and Mangini.
The only problem with all of this and the draft will only add to it, is that we have a crapload of new players who have to learn either a new defense or new offense. It usually takes players at least 6-8 weeks to get down their blocking assignments, coverage responsibilities, etc...even veterans going into a new system have that learning curve. Just look at the Giants this year, they didn't get it right on defense until they played the Eagles.
Some of you guys are trapped in 1976, when it took five years to build a team through the draft and it stayed together for 10-12 years. That's not the way it works anymore, the NFL is a year to year league. Guys leave, guys get hurt, other teams rise out of nowhere. Yes, you want to have a plan to sustain a run for a few years if you can, but you can't always be years away from winning. At some point you either have to shit or get off the bowl. This is year three of this regime, in today's league that's a long time. They didn't just walk in the door last month with a new five year plan.
Well said, I agree. Like Tannenbaum said, it's not like we traded away top draft picks. They will still get alot of younger players in the draft.
That and we also traded vets in the past two offesasons for future picks (Kendall/Vilma). They are not just going for "win now" or "win in the next few seasons" they are building depth in all areas of the organisation. The hope is to be able to sustain a highly competitive team for a long time. Not a short window where you roll for broke and have to scrap it a year or two later.
Yes, and it is also good to have a balance of veterans and young players so I do not see a "win now" strategy, just one that points the team in a winning direction.
Thanks for pointing that out. That's another reason why those who view this offseason as a "win now" are off base in their thinking. Attempting to trade DRob (I hope it goes through) would be another move that brings in picks and assures a pipeline for the future. In my mind, we're doing things quite differently from other "win now" teams in the past, so there's no way I see that right now with the Jets.
Forget all the nonsense. We are going for "win now" and that is exactly what we should be doing. And it's long overdue. All this bullshit about building for the future has gotten us where exactly in the last 40 years?...yeah, think about it.
I can't imagine any smart front office staff spending this kind of money if they didn't except their pick-ups to help them win right now. My guess is that if we don't turn things around this season, Mangini will go bye-bye
Yes, which is exactly why I respect Mangini so. Balls on the chopping block and full steam ahead. And if he DOES turn things around this season? Well, won't that just be something to brag about!
I don't want a championship for Champ's sake. Christ, think about it. The poor bastard won't have anything to post about!
It is what it is and people can call it anything they want. At least it's a fresh approach. So what if it doesn't work, nothing else has either in the last 4 decades.
This is like the fourth thread I've gone over this and in each one I've found someone else who basically said what I said. Here it is, wonder of all wonders, I posted it in LI JET FAN's "win now" thread. There you have it coupled with what 227 has been saying, you get the gist of it. To contrast, a "win now" team would be mortgaging draft picks like there's no tomorrow, signing veterans to outrageous contracts, and have a more settled QB situation. We have done none of these things. We are moving toward being a consistent "winning" team, not necessarily a "win now" team.
