I would probably accomplish more by talking to this wall in front of me instead of you but just answer this one question, what are the Jets currently ranked in run defense this year? Can't wait to hear the crickets....
Overall the Jets D was good today but when we drew within 6 at the end they failed to get us the ball back which brought up an ongoing theme.
The OP gets flamed so sayin the Jet isnt elite. They give up 30 points a fuckin week. THEY ARE NOT ELITE.
If the defense is gassed when the opposing team still has less than 34 minutes of time of possession, then the defense needs to get in better shape. Remember, this drive came after the Jets had the ball for 5:47 and scoring a touchdown. This did not come after one of our patented 3-and-outs. If this were the first time, that would be one thing. And I understand defenses will give up leads from time to time. But whether it's Miami, Cleveland, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, New England, or Houston (and that's just off the top of my head), our defense has allowed a lot of big scoring drives late in games in the Ryan era. It's like every time this happens, people say "Oh, just because it happened today doesn't make it a trend." like after the Oakland game when people were pissed at how we were playing. We have a good defense. But that last drive was embarrassing. A 13 play, 69 yard drive to take off 6 of the last 7 minutes, when you pride yourself on playing great defense, is embarrassing. If we had gotten a stop, even after allowing 2 first downs, then time of possession would have been close to even.
Agree 100% although im not entirely sold on them even being that gassed. The Run D was bottom 6 coming into this game. People can only blame the offense so much but the defense deserves criticism as well. Its also beginning to look like Bryan Thomas being gone for the year would have a much bigger aspect than many of us first anticipated. Looks like another nail biting hoping to make the wild card again this year for this team. It would be awesome for once to have a bye and a home playoff game....
So who do we pick up in the draft. We got a shot of getting a top notch player next year and at the current paste we are on, look for an early round pick.
A good part of the Pats running success was against packages with an emphasis on defending the pass. IMHO it's Belichick realizing what is needed to beat the defense the Jets used in the playoffs last year, a more balanced offense. Four out the Pats top 6 2011 draft picks were OL and RB.
i remember this exact thread about the jaguars game two years ago. pretty sure it was the exact same thread title verbatim
Yep. But those who said BT wasn't a big loss were nuts. He's a very good run stopper, and we don't have anyone there who is nearly as good at stopping the run. This is where the Jets lack depth. Westerman played well rushing the passer, but he's not a good run stopper. Neither is Maybin.
I seriously doubt if you could have done anything different by then. Jets D picked their poison (we'll stop the pass) then paid the price. During the last drive, Jets run D personnel were not on the field (DeVito/Pouha et al). Brady of course sat under shotgun spread formation, then handed off to BJGE. If Jets had their usual run D package, Brady might have thrown downfield (he most likely would have done just that.) If 3 points didn't make it 2 possession game like it did there, I don't think Patriots could dictate the defense like that. If the offense did their job (like not going out 3-and-out 8 fucking times) maybe you wouldn't have seen that part.
The other problem is we are not a dynamic offense anymore either, we basically have no changes to the plan other than to throw or run with green. It is very predictable as a fan so I am sure it is easier for a professional team
How about make a fucking stop? For the most part, I'm happy with the way the defense played. But this is far from the first time we've allowed another team to drive down the field to take the lead late in games, or to ice a game away. Obviously, no defense can be perfect, and the Patriots have a damn good offense, but when the other team is hammering the ball down your throat, make an adjustment. If they go down the field, that's perfect. That's exactly what we wanted. We died a slow death. If they take a shot down the field, sure, there's the chance they make a big play, but that's assuming the coverage fails, the QB makes a great throw, and the WR makes the play. There's still a lot that has to go right. I realize that we had a lot of d-backs in the game, and that was a very good gameplan. Still, in the last drive of the game, the Patriots are just trying to play keep away and run the clock down. And that's exactly what they did, and we were basically helpless to stop it until the pass option was 100% off the table. Brady is an unbelievable quarterback, but you have to play run first on the last drive. And regardless, our D-line was getting pushed around on the last drive. If they were tired, there are 3 possible reasons why: either they aren't in as good shape as they need to be (possible because of the lockout), the depth isn't what it needs to be (maybe), or the coaching staff doesn't rest them enough, which could have a lot to do with the first 2 reasons as well. Either way, it's not good. I'm embarrassed about that last drive, we're a defense-first team, and they pounded it down our throats. I felt the same way against Jacksonville and Miami in 2009, and about Pittsburgh last year, off the top of my head, as far as running the ball. Everyone deserves some blame for the loss. I just think the thought that the defense is blameless because the offense failed early in the game is bunk. Sure, the offense was awful, minus 2.5 drives. Seven 3-and-outs is absolutely pathetic. But that's no excuse for what happened on the last drive. They started on their own 22, and they moved 69 yards. Everyone and their mother knew they were going to run the ball, yet we couldn't stop it. Whether it's being tired, bad personnel, bad coaching, or not enough talent, whatever it is, something went wrong.
I was yelling at my TV for the Jets to go for two on our third TD, because I knew our defense couldn't keep the Patriots from getting a FG on their next drive. We are just shitty against the run. Really shitty. Our pass defense couldn't have been much better, except if Eric Smith would have covered Welker running right at him. That's 73 yards we should not have given up.
we don't have a big time D, we haven't in the last 2+ years. our D has been very good but not great and yesterday was another example. This D fails too often in big spots to be considered a great D.
I would love to make it easy and say the defense is to blame here, but it isn't the biggest issue. The Defense allowed what 13 points in he first half and got to brady a few times. The offense basically handed the game away. If you couldn't see a worn down and tired defense coming in the fourth quarter with the way our offense was playing you were dreaming. The offense needs to put more than 2 drives together in a game over 20 yards. even a 4 minute drive that ends in a punt is useful. Schotty's game plan calls for far too many 3 to 6 yard stop routes and ins...no slants, no seam routes, no shot deep -- every other team in football -- from 0-5 to 5-0 will make a few deep throws a game - they jets haven't in 3 weeks! Teams don't have to drop a safety back 15 yards from the line...keep everyone 10 yards from the line of scrimmage since no one is going to run that far anyway. The jets needs to win 4 straight games to stay relevant (Mia, SD, BYE, Buff, NE) 4 AFC games, 2 AFC East, and 3 against teams ahead of you. The season will be decided by the bye week if they are 4-3 they have a pulse - 3-4 and it is Just End The Season again
We desperately need two full drafts to build up our D depth and infuse it with speed. Very little speed in our LB corps.
I saw this excuse throughout the game thread yesterday,. NE had it less than 34 mins, yes they had an edge in TOp but it wasn't a crazy edge where our D should have been tired. In the 1st half NE had it 16 mins to 14 for us then had a 12 min break at halftime. What did they do to open the 2nd half? Eric Smith fell asleep and allowed welker to get behind him to set up a quick TD. was it b/c he was tired or b/c he just screwed up? After we scored to make it 27-21 the TOP was: Jets: 25:03 Pats: 27:50 Can we please stop w/ the D was tired excuse? They came up small in a big spot again. yes we did get screwed w/ the bad call on the Branch overturn BUT we also got lucky Hernandez dropped that TD at the end of the 1st half.
What is it with people around here only being able to focus on one thing? So, the O did not play well with seven three and outs. And the game would not have been close were it not for special teams. But that doesn't overcome the OP's point. The D had been sitting for a long drive the Jets O succeeded at, giving them a huge break. The game was still in reach, and the Jet D could not make a stop. What game were the people complaining about the OP watching??? There was plenty of time to go back at the Pats and win it, but the Pats ran it right down the throat of the vaunted Jet D. They couldn't tackle, they were slow in pursuit, and they made B-E look like one of the top RB's in the league, which he is not. Wilkerson had a poor game. He does not seal off his edge, and got caught, blocked inside, numerous times. Scott did not do much, either. I understand the Jets went to loading up in db's. But make a tackle. Team speed was also off. Credit the Pats all you want, as Ryan did. But those guys have not looked so great this season. Until they got a chance to play the Jets, that is. Now they suddenly have a balanced O that the Jet D could not stop when they needed to. Another big rushing day for a Jet opponent. Ground and Pound indeed. That's what the Pats did.
Rex got a ton out of a bunch of no-names and no-talents on this defense in 2009 and 2010. Revis is the only guy who is a Pro Bowler or All-Pro. Let's face it, half of our "D" is backups on most teams.
