Do you want to put the #1 pick at QB behind an aging and mediocre offensive line with maybe 1.5 WR's to throw too and no reliable TE's? With no running game to speak of? That's Archie Manning territory not Peyton or Eli. Make what you will of this but Peyton Manning got Marshall Faulk his rookie year and then Edgerrin James from year 2 on. Eli got Tiki Barber for his first 3 seasons.
I agree with most of what you said, but let's be honest. No one has time to wait for the next Joe Namath to walk through the door. He, Brady, Montana are rare breeds. And I think the New York Jets fanbase is a little weary from the many times the franchise has rebuilt and retooled. Get it right the first time!!! Right I don't have the confidence this front office can do anything to turn this around. They live in a bandaid mentality. Why doesn't the team surround him with the tools he needs to succeed? A decent offensive line..a bruising RB and wide receivers who can make plays. I think the front office has done the opposite and found ways to sabotage Sanchez.
I may be giving Sanchez too much credit, but I think he could do well in San Francisco or Houston. I don't Matt Schaub or Alex Smith are great QB's. Until Harbaugh got to San Francisco, Smith was basically a bust. But Harbaugh coached him up and he's doing well. And remember last year, when Schaub got hurt, their third string backup got them to the second round of the playoffs. A mediocre QB can take you far, if you have the right pieces surrounding it. Hello...Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson.
I am totally ready for rebuilding year or two or even three. It's been a really long time since we had a team with such little tallent. Outside of Lord Revis and a couple of others, the rest of these clowns need to go.
Difler and Johnson were exceptions to the Rule that had two of the best three defenses to ever step on a football field. The Ravens and Bucks had a small window of opportunity before Brady became Brady and Manning became Manning to win those rings. That is not going to happen anytime soon in the Nfl regarding teams like that being able to win. If you look back over the last thirty years most Sb's were won by Hall of fame Quarterbacks or ones far superior to Sanchez.
Both of those QBs were extremely underrated. Neither great obviously but both playmakers for thos teams. Notice how despite all the great D's those franchises had both before and after those Sbs that neither has even made it back to one. people get confused thinking you need a great QB to win SBs but you need a QB making big plays and limiting mistakes to win like last year, like '00, like '01, like '02,...
Thanks for making my point... Yates didn't need to win the game HIMSELF. He just didn't need to screw it up.
It's going to be a long time before the Jets are good again. Woody went into deep debt to build the stadium and now his first priority is PSL's. He thinks that Tebow and Rex's mouth will sell them. Until he realizes that winning sells and in the NFL today' with the rules as they are, offense rules. There will be no change. Fans can hasten the day by staying home. When even your head coach doesn't understand the league, improvement is a long way off.
No, there are more pressing needs and the QB class this year isn't top level. Fill the needs first, round out the roster this off-season and next off season (spring '14) then look to get a QB after the '14 season. Sanchez is a placeholder at this time. They can't afford to go get another QB through the draft at this point with so many glaring needs.
What the Jets need to do right now is find a solid organizational philosophy on talent acquisition. They need to find new eyes to go find the talent they decide they need. Some problems are better addressed from the bottom up. That's when you go get a new coach and coaching staff to get the most out of the talent you already have. Your plan in that case presumes that the talent is already on the roster and you just need to find a way to maximize it. The problem the Jets have right now is a top down problem. They don't have enough talent on the roster to compete consistently with the best NFL franchises. The talent that is available to them is average to below average. The way that you can tell this is that the QB right now looks worse than he possibly could be. There's no way that Mark Sanchez, given what we know about him, is a sub 50% passer. He's a mid 50's passer who has been making incremental improvements each season, like many QB's before him. To have him suddenly become a sub-50% passer suggests that the people that he is throwing too are pretty awful NFL receivers. Given what we've seen this is what the eye test tells us also. So the Jets have a top down problem in terms of the talent that is on the roster on the offensive side of the ball. Nothing is going to get fixed until they resolve the problems at the top, the people who have enabled the Jets to have such crappy talent on that side of the ball. When you look at the defense it is pretty clear that there is also a top down problem. Rex Ryan's defenses never get trampled the way the Jets defense has gotten trampled this season. What that tells us is that the personnel on the field is likely much worse this year than they have been in the recent past. Looking at who the linebackers are, looking at their age and recent injury history, tells us why the Jets are suddenly having so much difficulty against the run. When a team is getting gashed by the run it is almost always a problem with the linebackers, who are the guys who are supposed to turn faults at the line of scrimmage into limited damage. This is a top down problem. The talent at LB has been allowed to degrade to the point that any #1 back is a threat to have a huge game against the Jets including long gashing runs that unsettle the game state. The way the Jets need to approach the issues they're having right now is by putting better players on the field. The way they need to do that is by getting better evaluators to scout and draft players and also potentially better coaches to get them on the field and productive.
Agreed.. the top-down issue needs housecleaning of Tanny, Bradway etc. The LB issue also is what is killing them with covering offensive minded TE's much more than its run stopping safety's who's strength isn't coverage. That's what kills me about Rex, he knows a top notch LB corp is key to running a successful 3-4 scheme and look at the crap they have at LB. He pushed to get Scott and Pace so he needs to wear that decision. Thankfully both can be purged after this year.
Woody is making me miss Leon Hess. We didn't have much success during Hess's tenure as owner, but he stayed out of the media, and let the people he hired do their jobs. The statement Woody made about Tebow staying here for three years might be the single dumbest utterance ever expressed by anyone associated with this franchise. I'm starting to think Woody might be the Fred Wilpon of the NFL.
The Jets just need some fucking luck when it comes to snagging a QB - we have never had a great one. A good QB would make everything else so much easier.
Lets not get crazy now. I'd rather have Woody in the media making a mess of the back pages and having the Jets relavent than having a quiet owner and going back to lovable losers. No fucking way I want that again. I'll keep my egotistical, media loving owner.
Junc, me and you rarely agree it seems, but you are right about what it takes to win a Super Bowl. Rarely has a QB played elite or even great in all their playoff games including the SB. You saw the Saints get one and doned by the Seahawks, the Pats by the Ravens/Jets, the Packers by the Giants all because they became too reliant on their QB. They had no defense or run game to help out. You saw it again in NO and SF. You need a really good overall team effort to win a SB. The thing is, the easiest way to get that chance to win the SB is to have an elite QB as they can routinely put you in the playoffs. Making noise and winning a SB in the playoffs takes much more than an elite QB since they rarely actually play "elite" once they get there. Lifelong example is Peyton Manning. You can't carry your team in the playoffs. Another great example is Brady and the Pats in 07. Crushed the regular season average 30+ points a game, put up 31 then 21 then 14 in their playoff run.
Hess hired Parcells, who got us just as close to a Super Bowl as Rex has; and when you share a division with one team that has 3 recent Super Bowl wins, and you share a stadium with another team that has won four rings in the past twenty-five years, I wouldn't exactly call what we are right now relevant. Coughlin and Belichick aren't losing any sleep worrying about the Jets.
we didn't have a dynasty team in the division when parcells was here and we we made 1 postseason in 3 years w/ him(1 in 4 w/ him in the organization). Rex has done it 2 times in 3 years.
