There were 5 teams in the division when Parcells was competing here and only one of them was not a playoff caliber team. Rex has had it easy with just 3 other teams to compete against and two of them down for the count. I know you'll argue this because you're junc but you'd be wiser not to argue. Just look at the late 90's with Miami, New England and Buffalo all winning 10+ games several times AND making the playoffs.
actually when he took over in '97 Buf went 6-10 and Indy 3-13 so that would mean besides the Jets only 2 were playoff caliber, right? In '98 the division was excellent but again we didn't have any Brady Pats type squads that were unbeatable over 16 games. Rex has had it MUCH more difficult than BP as he knows he's always playing for 2nd. Let;s look at lates 90s Miami, NE and Buffalo. Miami: made playoffs 1997-1999- great job. lost 3 playoff games by an average score of 39-4 and never came close to reaching a title game. average wins over those 3 seasons: 9 Buffalo: made playoffs in '98 & '99, lost both games. Avg wins over those 3 seasons: 9 NE: made playoffs 97-98, went 1-2 in playoffs and was getting worse each year. average wins over those 3 seasons: 9 NE avg wins 2009-2011: 12 do you see any difference? Not exactly a murderer's row of teams to beat out. I like to argue rational points not just whine about everything like certain posters.
Junc, the difference is Rex knew he at LEAST had second place with Miami and Buffalo in disarray. He was playing for first (and never achieved it) - second place every time since he's been here. Parcells wasn't essentially guaranteed second place or even third for that matter with a much tougher division and yet he was able finish with a division title.
@junc Yes, but it's irrational to argue that a division that had 3 teams other than the Jets that made the playoffs multiple times during Parcell's tenure was an easier swim than a division that had one team other than the Jets in that position. Throw in the fact that Indy drafted Peyton Manning and in the second year won 10 games and made the playoffs in '99 and it becomes clear that your position is just absurd on the face of it. Every team in the AFC East had at least one 10 win playoff season in the 3 years that Bill Parcells actually coached the Jets. All but the Jets and Colts had two seasons like that, You're being argumentative, in the way that always makes me wonder whether you're not somebody the Jets hired to always argue the positive side of an argument. Does UNC have a group that hires out bloggers for pay?
when rex arrived Miami had won 11 games and were the defending division champs. Miami had playoff expectations in '09 & '10. The division was tougher top to bottom in the late 90s but that's easier to navigate than always playing for 2nd place especially in that era where a WC team could host a playoff game. We have no chance to host playoff games. total playoff wins by AFC East teams 1997-1999: 3 and one of them was b/c 2 AFC East teams matched up. NYJ won 1 in '98 then lost next game 23-10, Miami won 1 in '98 then lost next game 38-3, Miami won 1 game in '99 then lost next game 62-7. Zero SB apps, 1 conf title game app total playoff wins by AFC east teams 2009-2011: 6, NYJ won 4, NE won 2. 1 SB app, 3 conf title game apps which was better? Peyton manning as a veteran was a poor playoff QB, as a young player he was brutal. Wouldn't win a playoff game until 2003. I will always be grateful for BP turning the franchise around and getting rid of the losing mentality BUT he wasn't stupid. he walked into a boatload of young talent, if he could draft at all we would have been a dominant team for a decade but he was a terrible drafter and did a terrible job w/ the cap yet we kept winning thanks to the next regimes. you can hurl insults all you want to deflect from your weak arguments but it's pretty clear it's much harder in rex's time than when BP was here. 1997-1999: AFC had 3 division winners and 3 wildcard teams. a wildcard team could host a playoff game. The Jets had a 4 in 15 chance to make playoffs(in '99 4 in 16 after Cle joined the league again). 27% chance in '97 & '98, 25% in '99 2009-2011: AFC had 4 division winners and 2 WC teams, WC teams could not host playoff games. Jets had 19% chance to make playoffs 27% & 25% vs. 19%- which is more difficult? actually b/c NE always wins the division we really only have a 17% chance to make as we are fighting w/ 12 teams for 2 WC spots. But please hurl insults to deflect, it's always been your style.
Exactly! Very well said. And not for nothing, but anyone who has rooted for this team for awhile will realize they've been rebuilding for most of the last 40 something years. It gets a little old.
The Jets DID have a chance to host a playoff game, that's what I'm saying. Win the damn division. You are literally arguing that Rex had it tougher than Parcells because Rex didn't win the division... does this make any sense to you? Not to mention that Rex has actually split with NE most years so he was losing the division by losing to teams NOT named the New England Patriots all too often. top to bottom the division was much tougher in the late 90s. A division full of 9-7 teams is much more difficult than a 14-2 on top and a couple 6-10s and belows at the bottom. The late 90s AFC East is the current day NFC East, only with one extra team.
we have a dynasty team in our division, unless Brady gets hurt there's no chance. There wasn't a team close to the Bardy pats in the AFC east back in the late 90s. Rex had it tougher b/c NE was in the division dominating it. We split w/ them in '09, they lost only one other game all season. To expect to win 14-15 games is unrealistic but we did beat them when it counted most for the best playoff win in team history outsode of the '68 title game and SB III. top to bottom it was tougher in the division but the top of the division was much easier the late 90s team had a much greater chance both to win the division and to get to the playoffs.
