Thinking "outside the box" has hurt this franchise

He did get another job. He spent 3 years with the 9ers in various roles. That's not nothing. But he simply did not do a good job and washed out of the NFL

 

Terance Mathis. Guy was a little used slot receiver for the Jets. Very good when given a chance...leaves and catches like 600 passes after 1993

 

As I said, for the right price he's worth keeping, but he's going to get ridiculous offers that if the jets match or exceed will limit what they can do to fill other big holes. If Douglas can figure out a way to keep him,great. otherwise I think there are alternatives that will cost less and be at least as productive.

 

Right. And I'm countering by saying that price shouldn't matter. Beyond giving him some $70-$80 million contract, we really need to keep him at all costs. Even if that means overpaying.

I think at this point I'd actually prefer to just franchise him and figure it all out later. If he wants to live to fight another day on a one year deal as well then so be it. That gives us another year to draft a receiver, develop him and figure out once again if Anderson is worth it or if we'll let him walk because we have our second year player good to go.

 

Fair enough.

 

I'm completely with you on the fact that he is an overrated player and shouldn't get what he ultimately will get. I just don't think haggling over a couple million dollars with him is worth going into next year with what will be a rookie, Crowder, Vycint Smith and Jeff Smith.

It also gives us limited flexibility in the draft and sort of holes us into taking a receiver in the first, rather than give us the option.

 

I don't think that approach is crazy, it's just that I don't see the Jet contending next year (and probably two years), so why tie up that much money in a WR 2 (at best), when this draft is supposedly deep in WR? They might also be able to snag somebody as good or better in FA.

If they go your way it wouldn't be the end of the world, I just think he's overrated, and really didn't perform up until the 2nd half of the season - of course I also blame Gase for not using him better but that's a separate issue.

 

Well. Mangini was two games under .500 with the Jets and two winning seasons in three years. Patricia has been atrocious as a head coach at 9-22-1 (.297 winning percentage) with a lot of issues with players when he traded Qandre Diggs for a shitty draft pick.

Mangini had a .413 percentage.

 

It's possible to make the playoffs even as a mediocre team, so yeah they might do that. But I doubt they'll actually BE a playoff-caliber team, and that's a concern because if they do achieve that, they might well "rest on their laurels" and dial back their urgency to improve - I've seen them do it before with Rex's teams.

I guess you're a "glass half full" guy.

 

I mean again, that's such backwards logic. How is a team that makes the playoffs not a playoff calibre team? If we make the playoffs next year that means we're a playoff team. Case closed.

Using that logic, you can argue that the Titans were not a playoff calibre team, and they won two road games against Tom Brady and the Ravens.

You just need to get into the tournament. They rested their laurels with Rex because they tried to keep the same magic going and hoped Sanchez would take the next step to cover the holes on offense. They went cheap on offense because they they thought he could do so.

There wasn't a lack of urgency to improve the team. There was a miscalculation on the player leading the team and where the deficiencies were.

 

Good luck against next year's schedule. And I'm not even necessarily saying next year's schedule will be that hard; any schedule will be harder than the one we just had.

 

The problems with the Jets in 2011 were baked in long before 2011. Years of short drafts and trades for vets had made the Jets a brittle team with some clearly incapable starters (Wayne Hunter, Eric Smith) in key positions. Several other key players were aging out, often at a premium on the cap. The cap had been mismanaged since 2007 and the pending expiration of the homegrown local talent drafted since 2006 created issues alongside that fact. Revis got money quick and kept coming back for more as he assessed the opportunities to do so. D'Brick got it slowly in the form of future cap hits as his deal was renegotiated each season to keep the Jets cap solvent. Sanchez was re-signed early because the Jets were afraid his contract would go out of sight if he had a really good year alongside his proven ability to manage the post-season.

Sanchez was not good enough to overcome the weaknesses elsewhere on offense however the defense was also showing signs of wear and tear and Rex was not able to make it roll the way he had in 2009 and 2010. A defense that requires a franchise CB and another very good CB opposite him is likely to become cost-prohibitive over time and the Jets defense was not holding up it's end by 2011.

All of this became focused on a few issues that stood out, Sanchez, Revis, Rex, etc. but the truth was that the 2011 Jets were setup to fail by a series of decisions that reflected the franchise philosophy on how to compete from year to year. The philosophy stretched back to 2001, with the trade up for Santana Moss and 2002 with the draft of an unheralded prospect in the 1st round in the form of Bryan Thomas. By 2003 the trade up for DeWayne Robertson and the beginning of the aging out of Parcell's acquisitions set the trend for the rest of the decade.

1998-2001 was the Super Bowl window for the Parcells teams, even though Parcells was no longer with the team at the end of that run.

2002-2005 were "fake" years added onto that window in the runup to the new stadium.

2006 was a total restart.

2013 was a total restart.

2019 would have been a total restart if Macc was pushed out the door after 2018. Hopefully 2020 gives us that total restart with Douglas and Gase working to build a team, making the hard decisions that requires and not mandated to make a PR splash in the process.

 

While I agree with most of this post, I thought the 2004 team could have made the Super Bowl if Brien made one of his two 4th quarter FG attempts in Pittsburgh. They would've been underdogs in NE, but they played the Pats tough in Foxboro that year and were a play or two away from winning that game. If they got past Pitt and NE, who knows what happens against Philly.

 

I agree with the principle but I'm not sure I agree with the application

Darnold has formed chemistry with other people too, e.g., crowder, griffin, herndon. I see Robbie quit on routes. It's not Brady/Moss. I hope Douglas is disciplined about this. Robbie brings speeds -- that's nice. But i want toughness, consistency, better hands

 

I see your point, and I agree - once in the playoffs, anything can happen. That's how Rex got them to the AFCCG twice, and while those teams were good, they were overachieving, and really not solid, as we came to soon see. That's what I'm talking about - I want to see the Jets develop into a perennial contender for the SB, not just making the playoffs and never getting there. That's where just making it into the playoffs can hurt them in the long run. There's a saying: "The good is the ennem of the best". I want the Jets to be the best, not just good.