Year after year, the teams with balanced offenses and good pass attacks are at the top of the league. Colts, Patriots, Steelers, Giants, Eagles are consistently good. Only the Steelers have high rush attempts, but their pass attack is also extremely efficient. This year the contending teams are: Giants, Eagles, Green Bay, Chicago, Atlanta, Tampa, New Orleans, nfc west winner, New England, Jets, Miami, Balt, Pitt, Indy, Tenn, houston, Kansas City, and maybe Oakland. The only run heavy teams are Kansas City, Oakland, Tennessee, and Pitt (passing more now that Ben is back). The rest of the teams run balanced to high passing offenses. The best teams are the Giants, Green Bay, Atlanta, New Orleans, New England, Jets, Balt, Pitt, Indy, Tenn. 8 out of 10 are balanced to high passing. You're right, I don't like Rex's offensive philosophy in a league where the rules favor passing, and where passing is more efficient than rushing. Are you going to address the fact that passing is more efficient than running btw? Lol, look at who they played. I even made a thread about it in the beginning of the season. It's no coincidence that their 2 losses come against the only decent teams they played. Efficient = high completion % and high yards per passing attempt. I still don't understand why you want to have a ground and pound offense that won't score as much as an efficient offense. I'd much rather have a balanced attack that keeps teams off guard, and scores as many points as they can. Again, you don't address the point, and you try to discredit the point I made by naming only 1 exception. To make matters even worse, Ben isn't an exception. He's a career 92.1 rated QB with a 63.3 completion % and 8.0 yards per attempt. His rookie and soph numbers were even higher than his career average. Basically he completes a high % of passes, and completes medium to deep passes. I'm sure you've watched Ben enough times to know how that he has exceptional pocket presence. When a quarterback has a low completion %, it requires extra passing attempts to get the yardage necessary to score. That would explain why Sanchez has thrown the ball a lot when the running backs can't get yardage. I wasn't questioning his work ethic. But I am wondering when he'll take the next step as a quarterback. Our offense is extremely simple, and it's the same every week plus or minus a few new trick plays. Anyways, are you actually gonna address my points? Or are you going to ignore them as well as WSW's analysis?
Minus Philly and teams led by Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, and Rodgers - Teams run the ball efficiently to win. 53-47 runass is ideal. That's what most teams do. Is Sanchez one of those 6 teams? No. Then you run the ball. Rex wants a run first team, with the QB making enough plays to keep a defense honest. This team is built to run, that's the philosophy that the Jets implement. Passing is more efficient only if the QB is more efficient than the running game. The Jets running game is better than their QB. Fuck the rules, the NFL has always been a game based on running, and teams that have run the ball more than they've thrown have had more success this season. The run first teams are winning more than the throw first. I'll keep repeating it if necessary. But they're going to make the playoffs as a run first team. They put up a fight against indy and should have beat Houston. Do they not remind you of the Jets last season offensively? So the formula works. Who the fuck says run first teams can't score? Before the Green Bay game the Jets were 4th in scoring and they are a run first team. This theory is shit. Ha, I address the point fully with Ben. You just don't know why. Others did. ........ no. That's not a good idea. He'll take the next step with time and experience. He had 16 starts in college and is still learning. You want a high octane offense yesterday. Your not going to get one, and its backwards from what this team does. Go watch the Chargers if you want that. That's not what we do here. I've addressed your points, but obviously not to your liking. And I didn't ignore WSW either. What you want doesn't work here and you don't have the right idea and direction for what this offense has to be at this time in the season and Sanchez's career.
Ravens game was frustrating to watch but Rex stated himself that he was so worried about the turnovers he may have put the clamps down to hard. Blame Rex & OC for that pitiful offensive display. Green Bay: decimated by injuries but still managed to stuff the run by stacking the box. They gambled & open Jets receivers dropped very catchable balls. Their gamble was a good one & we've got stupid threads on our forum on how Crotchery sucks so much & is the worst WR ever. Even the correct game plan fails when players can't execute which is what happened in this game.
I still think the Jets are not going to be able to just run it down any team's throat without at least making the passing game a threat first. I wish we could, but I don't think its going to happen this weekend unless we are successful passing the ball a little first.
The offense definitely sucked in week 1, but it's strange to me that whenever people discuss the loss to the Ravens they seem to overlook the 125 yds in penalties that we racked up. I can't say for sure, but I highly doubt that any team has ever won an NFL game with a stat like that. It seems to me that that was the primary reason for the loss. The penalties in the Packers game were not as numerous, but they were probably nearly as responsible for the loss as they were against the Ravens. In the Ravens game, penalties on the D continually gave life to the Ravens offense - In the Packers game, penalties on O continually destroyed any momentum that we generated on our drives. In both games I feel like they were the deciding factor (although all the drops in the Packer game were definitely big too). I don't think the run/pass ratio is as big of a deal as the mental discipline factor. If they can avoid shooting themselves in the foot with penalties I have a feeling the offense will operate just fine.
Most of those penalties happened while we were on defense and the defense only allowed 10 points. The defense/special teams also put the offense in position for 4 makeable FG attempts. They only managed to kick 3 of them. The offense was so terrible that we literally would have been better off taking a knee every offensive play, at least we would have got off the 4th FG attempt them.
I don't mean to infer that the offense wasn't terrible, but without the 14 penalties I would have to imagine that the Ravens never make it to 10 points. It also would have allowed our offense to get on the field more and perhaps get some kind of rhythm going. With both offenses playing very poorly, I feel that it was the penalties that tipped the score in Baltimore's favor.
its not just running the ball more, its varying the types of runs that we use ... its seems like all we ran last game we traps and isos right up the middle
I mostly agree with you about the running game. Sanchez isn't ready to have the offense run through him. In most games pounding the ball will be the better option for the Jets. I just feel that within the flow of the GB game that passing the ball wasn't a huge error. The running game felt very flat from LT and Greene to the offensive line something was very off. My other reason for not having a big issue with the passing attempts was that the plays that were called put our guys in a position to have success and they dropped the ball. It's hard to fault Sanchez or Schotty for the rest of the offense (wr's mostly) not doing their jobs. Sticking with the running game may very well have eventually led to success but I think that is far from a certainty based on how the game was going. I would hope that this week they come out looking to pound the ball as much as possible. Usually that will lead to success for the offense as a whole, I just don't know that would have been true against GB.
No doubt the penalties were a huge part of why we lost, especially the running into the kicker penalty.
This topic is cool, yet we wouldn't of even had this topic if not for the dropped passes last Sunday, it's pretty alarming when 3 of your top targets each have 3 or 4 dropped passes on the season Sanchez isn't even playing that bad, but for him to truly succeed these WRs / TEs need to do their part, Sanchez needs to have that confidence in his WRs to make plays
That would be a good idea. LT has exceptional hands. Having LT go in motion & then start the play in slot would be an interesting wrinkle in the offense. ==== oops, just realized you meant running sweeps & not using him as receiver. Well, that's a good idea too. There doesn't seem to be much variety in the running attacks.
