There is something about this draft I cant get off my mind

Discussion in 'Draft' started by JohnnyThaJet, Jan 17, 2012.

  1. JohnnyThaJet

    JohnnyThaJet Active Member

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    You said it there, they have to protect Daltons future. With 2 first rounders this year at 17 and 21 there best bet at completing a team is to take a OT, since their line isnt very good and take a CB. In the scenario I just provided they would most likely take Reiff and then most likely end up with Dennard at 21. That would be much better for them as a team that still needs something more than just a RB.

    They like Benson, and he likes them. If they want him back he will most likely go their since there arent very many places where he would start.

    Also, for the Palmer trade, dont forget they dont have that 2013 1st rounder anymore since the Raiders didnt make the playoffs. So their luxury isnt as outstanding as it was projected.
     
  2. GoldenShowers

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    I love Richardson. I think he is a great player with a great future.

    That said, in 2009 we led the NFL in rushing with an old Thomas freaking Jones as our feature back. Why? Bc we had a dominant OL.

    The dominant OL also protects your QB who has a 14 million dollar a year contract.

    Fix the OL. Running backs are a dime a dozen, and when you have the amount of holes we have you shouldn't be drafting a luxury pick.

    The name of the game in football is 1) protect the QB 2) rush the QB 3) win the turnover margin. So draft an OL or OLB in the first. And by the way, I can't understand how anyone can watch Melvin Ingram play and determine that he is inferior to any of the OLB prospects. Kid is an animal.
     
  3. S.HOLMES.10

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    I want a OL or an OLB. Trent Richardson is a luxury pick...
     
  4. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with ya on Charles big time. He is just not a between the tackles runner and has a very thin build for a RB at 5'11" and 200 pounds. His highest carry total in a season is 230 and I don't expect him to top that as a speed/quickness guy coming off an ACL tear. The Chiefs need a guy to take the Thomas Jones role from 2010 and Richardson would not only do that, but do it much better.
     
  5. JohnnyThaJet

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    I agree that we need a good OT, and a good line always translates to a good offense.

    I will say this, Adrian Peterson, LeSean McCoy, Darren McFadden, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Michael Turner have something in common. Want to know what that is? They are all RBs who have been successful with sub par offensive lines.

    Getting a premiere runningback who can carry and offense changes everything. It opens up the pass, it protects the QB, AND it makes an offense that much better. When you encounter a RB who is pretty much the 3rd best player in a great draft, you take him, and never look back. A RB with this offensive line that has allowed sub par RBs to have great seasons would be a match made in heaven for the Jets. We could possibly bring in a guy who could become a big time RB in this league, you just cant pass that up any way you look at it. Even if its for 8 years or so. Ill take a RB like Peterson, Foster, McCoy, Turner, McFadden, Rice, or MJD ANY day.
     
  6. JohnnyThaJet

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    Hes a luxury if you trade up for him.

    Ill take a prospect like Richardson over Mercilus, Upshaw, or Reiff who could be there ANY day. Lets face it Shonn Greene isnt that impressive as a RB whether you like it or not. A premiere RB would be huge for this offense.
     
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    LeSean McCoy and Charles have essentially the same play style. Pass catcher, elusive, and an every down back. McCoy is 5'11 205 Charles is 5'11 200, not too far off. He can be a big time back, they dont need to take Richardson unless Charles recovery isnt going well, and according to reports he is ahead of schedule. I think taking him wouldnt make sense. They need an Oline depth badly, unless their isnt ANYONE there that they need then I could see them taking Richardson, but DeCastro could become a top OG and would be perfect for there team. They couldnt pass him up IMO.
     
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    This report (1/14/12) per Rotoworld makes it seem rather unlikely that Bensons returning to cinci

     
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    Alot of people are saying we should take this kid Chris Polk from Washington because he is a great power runner that is also a good pass catcher. I like the move of drafting a RB in the first round. But if all the good RBs are gone we should definitely draft a safety.
     
  10. Harpua

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    I agree with you about McCoy and Charles and thats part of the issue. These guy are explosive in space. They are not powerful or pile movers. The Eagles run an offense that is more tailored to this. Unless the New KC regime goes away from what made them successful in 2010 (leading the league in rushing) then Charles is not an every down option. Not even close. Both of them have yet to hit 300 carries in a season and Charles is coming of a huge injury to a guy that runs the way he does.

    Another guy with similar size and style is Reggie Bush. This was his frist 1000 yard season, first over 200 carries, and he ended it on the sidelines with an injury. He's never been over 300 total touches in a season. Backs built like these guyus need at least a powerful compliment, if not a split backfiled with someone else eating up 200 carries a year to be most effective.

    Maybe the days of running back hitting 300 carries is over. The split backfield is more the norm and many who would/should have hit it ended the year on the sidelines. Richardson is a rare blend of power and quickness. Thats the reson he's though of as a potential top ten pick. None of the afore mentioned guys are stout, powerfully built runners. Ask yourself this, would KC be a much better team with MJD on the roster as opposed to Jackie Battle eating up 150 carries? If you think so, I think they need to seriously look at Richardson.
     
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    Even if that is so I still dont think they will trade up, Cinci usually doesnt make very bold moves, and they need there picks to build their secondary and Oline.

    I did say in my original post they were a threat to get him, but I still have my doubts.
     
  12. laxin

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    Yeah thats an obvious argument, but in order for them to get better they have to draft BPA at a position of need. Yeah, drafting Richardson would help a lot sharing the load , but they have Charles already and they have a lot of wholes that need to be addressed. They have big wholes on the OL, they can go tackle or guard and draft a very good player at a position thats a huge need.

    Plus, I would kind of hate seeing such a talent get put in backfield with an already great talent in Charles... I feel like either might not reach their full potential then.
     
  13. JohnnyThaJet

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    Richardson would be the only case we draft a RB in 2012 unless we see value in one late.
     
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    The only RB that should be on this teams board at pick 16 is Trent Richardson. Thats it, no one else. If we reach on a RB or Safety in the first I will throw my laptop at my TV and then once it is embedded in my TV, I will throw both out my window.
     
  15. JohnnyThaJet

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    I see what your saying, and I dont disagree. But I think they view their problems more at Oline, QB, and Slot WR than they do at RB. I think they are going to end up getting a bruiser complement to Charles either in this draft in the middle rounds or in FA. I think a perfect signing for them would be Michael Bush. Him and Charles would be an excellent RB tandem. I just dont think they can afford a luxury and right now they view Charles as their star back for the future.

    I guess we will see draft day.
     
  16. cantwait57

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    Would members be opposed to drafting 2 OLB early in the draft? Its important to consider that Pace is likely on his last legs.
     
  17. Going4TheGreen

    Going4TheGreen Well-Known Member

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    Seems like we would see a lot of teams ahead of us pass on BPA. But it could happen, if we did pick him it's not like this team hasn't made a move on draft day and sent a player packing to free up space for him (Leon Washington).

    Richardson, McKnight, Powell..pretty nice.
     
  18. cromartiecove31

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    I for one would not at all be opposed to that
     
  19. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    That, would be the same argument against the Jets drafting him. We need help at RT, WR, OLB. There should be a very high end talent around for any of those poistions for us. So if we are going to entertain that other temas may pass on him because of greater needs elsewhere, then we have to think the same thing of ourselves.

    As for wasting him with Charles, I don't see it. This team is most likely run enough for each of them to get 200 carries. It will help keep them both healthy and fresh for the playoffs. Its nto a waste, its a scary runnign tandom, possibly better than Stewart and Williams in Carolina.
     
  20. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    We can argue that our needs are just as bad as the chefs and talent will be available for us. Waiting for the draft and all the predraft chatter is just part of the fun. :)
     

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