Great post. It really does show that this system has not produced a 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio. Surprisingly enough the best was Sanchez this year. I agree it is time to see what a different offensive coordinator can do. If they cannot help Sanchez, well we spent this offseason improving other areas of our team, and a good QB can come in and succeed. If he does improve Sanchez then we have a strong team with a good QB. If we keep Schotty and the next QB also struggles, we set ourselves back 3-4 years as a franchise.
You left off bretts 2010 season which was under the same system as 09 Brett had 11 td's and 19 ints Penningtons number under the same 08 Miami system in 09 and 10 413 yards with 1 td and 2 ints in 09 19 yards in 2010 Gotta love stats
If you trade for Flynn what you'll get is a QB controversy that will likely stunt the growth of both young QB's. Parcells is right when he says a team with 2 legitimate QB's has no legitimate QB's.
Wow. Thanks for looking those up. So over the past 3 years, it is: 112 TDs 111 INTs and if we remove the Sanchez years it is: 54 TDs 58 INTs I don't see how Shotty keeps his job.
They played very well considering they were among the worst teams in the league talent wise on O in 06 and Chad had no arm whatsover. Again that team went 10 and 6 and prior to that season if you asked any Jets fan if you thought they had a chance at the playoffs they would have laughed at you. That was year one of a rebuild with crap talent at the skill position a rebuilt make shift line and a journeyman at running back who had no business getting another year in the league. If you're really a Jets fan and followed the team you had to be shocked at that teams play and making the playoffs. They didn't call him Mangenius for being 25th in yards. They called him that because of the scheme got us wins with crap talent. Chad was making throws that looked like lollipops and we still won. Shotty has to go but stop making shit up.
I am sorry. Looking at your arguement here who could disagree with you. You are a debate pro. You pee gold dude.
Give credit to Murrell and Dirty Sanchez. They posted all the stats to back up everything. And to 1985er, Chad only played 1-2 games the year after? That doesn't really say anything. And about Favre, so he finished 44td and 26 ints in Minny in the same system. Still much better than 22 and 22.
Penny had 74 pass attempts in '09 and 2 attempts in '10. Can't compare that to the 745 he had with Schotty or the 476 he had in '08 I could cherry-pick 76 attempts from Matt Stafford's 2011 and make you think he stinks. Hell, total up his Miami numbers. Still way better than '06-'07: 67.5 comp % 20 TD's 9 INTs 7.4 Y/A
Here is my take: Schotty: Schotty excels (that's right!) excels at isolating and getting the most out of any ONE position in the offense to succeed in ONE SINGLE play. He can and will find ways for recievers and running backs to get open, find weaknesses in a defense that can be exploited by redirection plays and for the most part is able to achieve whatever goal is needed (1st down, touchdown etc...)but only IN SITUATIONAL football. That said, football is not, and never will be, a one play and done game. Schotty is terribly weak at tempo, time management (how long has that been a problem?) and in-game rhythm. He is excellent at moving peices around the chess board and drawing up the perfect plans, but these are not wooden peices being moved around. He doesn't nearly enough consider the individual skill player's weaknesses, quirks or style of play. He fails to understand the rhythm required for offenses to be effective as a direct result. As a pure play-designer, he may be one of the best. But a good songwriter doesn't always make the best performer, and he is not the person to execute play calling of his own plays. In this way, his in-game play calling shows a man pre-occupied with strategy and with little interest in actual realtime football. Sanchez is a highly talented, tough well rounded QB. He can make all the throws and mentally stable enough to handle situational football and no game is too big for him if the team around him is functioning normally. He has however, a below average football intelligence that prevents him from understanding the dynamics that is Schotty's offense. He, like 100's of lower football IQ QB's before him, require an offense based on rhythm and spontaniety. Sanchez will undoubtedly be successful eventually, but only with an offense that is built with emphasis on "flow." He needs an effective run game to open up play-action, and he needs to be able to allow his athletisim to get plays down field. The offense more or less needs to be tailored to his style in order to be affective. It is clear, when the offense is not tailored to his natual abilities and style, he makes bad decisions regularly and looks extremely inept. The big issue here then is, who can change? It is impossible for Sanchez to get smarter in an offense built for a mad genius like Peyton Manning. But even Peyton would struggle if Schotty was calling the plays. So while it's not clear if Schotty can change as a person enough to recognize his own problems, the reality is he and only he is truly able to make our situation any better. If the Jets keep him as coordinator, unless he changes, Sanchez will continue to stuggle with an offense that fails to recognize the weaknesses and strengths of the core position.
Pennington's 09 was pretty much a wash due to injury. Brett's rough 2010 is common knowledge and it was due to an offseason ankle injury that never healed. If you want to argue that Brett was injured in 2008 with the Jets as well, that wasn't until week 10 or 11, and his stats up until then were: 16 tds 12 ints 6 of which came against a pathetic arizona defense. Shotty still makes QB's suck, anyway you cut it.
That's not the point I'm trying to make. My point is that Sanchez had career highs and lows under schotty, Brett and Chad had career lows under the same systems they had their highs in as well.* See my above post See above
Hahaha! What the hell am I making up? You posted that anyone who didn't think the offense was good in '06 is lying, and I responded with, literally, nothing but facts about where our offense ranked that year. You keep talking about how many games they won as if that somehow proves how good the offense was. It doesn't. It only proves that the TEAM won 10 games, which I agree was a pleasant surprise. Especially considering how the offense wasn't very good.
So Pennington's 2007 wasn't a wash for those same reasons? Oh I forgot that was because of schottys system. Brett had injuries throughout which derailed his 2010 season. Just like injuries derailed him in the second half of 2008.
We've talked about '07 a lot in this thread. It's the same crap that happened in '06. 10 TD's 9 INTs low YPA...same story, different year.
If you consider Chad's lows to be the second year in Miami where he didn't play the majority of the season, I guess so. I think it is a weak argument since Chad is hurt. With Favre he also did not play a full season, so it is tough. Favre did have his career lows in GB though, so I'm not sure the argument works for either Chad or Favre that their lows were in the same system as their highs.
Haha, you're the one spouting urban legends. First off, he may have won Comeback Player of the Year in 06, but he hardly had a great season. Chad with Hackett: 02: 69%, 7.8 YPA, 22 TD, 6 INT 03: 64%, 7.2 YPA, 13 TD, 12 INT 04: 65%, 7.2 YPA, 16 TD, 9 INT Chad with Schotty: 06: 65%, 6.9 YPA, 17 TD, 16 INT 07: 69%, 6.8 YPA, 10 TD, 9 INT Lower YPA, and a 27: 25 ratio compared to 51: 27 ratio with Hackett. Hmmm, and you think it's an urban legend that he was better with Hackett? Just look at the numbers and it's pretty plain to see. More obvious evidence is Favre the year after he leaves Schotty, he puts up a career year.
