The True QB Battle: Geno Smith vs. Bryce Petty

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  1. BakerMaker

    BakerMaker Well-Known Member

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    The Jets could pull a Belichick and fake an injury on Hack and put him on IR for the year while he learns the game by observing the game on the sidelines and via video tape.

    Or god forbid Hack pulls something or does suffer a devastating injury, either way the point is the Jets could stash Hack on IR and keep all 3 QBs for this year and when Fitz/Geno are off the books, Jets may bring one of em back or if Petty does somehow, someway get it from now until next season , maybe have Petty legit contend for the starting gig and take the training wheels off Hack and expect some signs in year 2.

    Hack will and should not play Year 1 thus he is wasting a roster spot.
     
  2. LongIslandBlitz

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    I love when people say "Hes getting to learn from Fitzpatrick"What do you learn?How to not make the playoffs in 11 years?How to choke in the 4th qtr? How to rob teams for millions?How to grow your hair out until you look like an asshole?
     
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  3. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    What position are you going one less on to keep 4 QB's? I'm not saying it's impossible but when you keep more at one position it requires you go a bit thin at another position and when QB's aren't involved in special teams it makes it more difficult than doing so at another position. Add in the fact that we seem to be deep at WR - which plays a big role in special teams. It seems more reasonable to go heavy on WR this year.

    You have to figure we're keeping 6 WR's minimum. Here's the final roster breakdown from 2015 for reference.

    QB - 3
    RB - 4
    WR - 5
    TE - 2
    OL - 9

    DL - 7
    LB - 9
    DB - 11

    ST - 3
     
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  4. LAJet

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    I'm probably way confused, but I thought they had changed the rules and you could now protect 2 players going into the Practice Squad. If that is the case it would solve our QB dilemma
     
  5. zace

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    Petty looked ok, but i dont know what many of you are seeing. He definitely didnt go thru progressions well. His first read was often his first throw and he played against third and fourth stringers. It seemed when he went thru his progressions he got lost. He can understand the offense and all but he still has a very long way to go. Its not even close betweem him and Geno.

    Against a real defense petty will struggle because unless his first option beats his guy, teams are gonna target and take the first option away and force him to go thru progressions. So you all better not hope that happens.

    It takes years to become an NFL QB and i think we need to remember that and give him the proper time. No need to rush.

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  6. Footballgod214

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    I think (but not positive) that ALL players going to the PS have to go through waivers making their services available to the rest of the NFL. At least that's how it used to be (and the reason Belicheck kept 4 QBs to avoid exposing some rookie named Brady to waivers). I never heard/knew a team could send 2 players to the PS and those 2 players have no shot at getting promoted by some other team. Hopefully ur right, and yes it would solve out QB problem.
     
  7. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    How many years for Geno?
     
  8. zace

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    He looked fine and if jets fans would take the blinders off theyd realize that. Its only his fourth season.

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  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    What did you think of his inconsistency and shit footwork?
     
  10. zace

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    He wasnt inconsistent, not even close. He was fine. His footwork alwaysbneeded work but last i checked he led the team down the field for a td drive and no ints. To say he hasnt improved just shows youre not looking objectively. Youre not dumb, so thats the only thing it can be.

    There is no battle Geno is second and Petty is 3 as it should be. Petty isnt close to ready. Its fine that hes not, theres no need for him to be. Fitz and Geno are just better and can hold down the fort.

    Im amazed that people who are celebrating a journey qb whos never made the playoffs are questioning how long it takes to develop a qb.

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  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Not even close to inconsistent? What were you watching? Geno was pretty bad up until his TD throw to Peake. Go rewatch. His shitty footwork is the cause of his inconsistency. He didn't lead us down the field for a TD drive either - we had a huge kick return that put us in FG range and then he threw one sweet pass for the TD.

    I just rewatched every Petty snap to see if he was going beyond his first read and saw he at at least two nice completions on a check-down. He also had a couple of contested incompletions on 2nd or 3rd reads. So I don't know where you're getting that he's not getting beyond his first read other than he had a bunch of quick completions to his first read. That is a good thing.

    Saying there is no battle at this point seems pretty silly. I think maybe you're hoping there's no battle. Unless Geno makes big strides, Petty makes big mistakes or something happens to open up the roster for a 4th QB, Geno is the odd man out. You can quote me when I'm proven correct on this.
     
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    Geno was not bad. The problem is youre being unrealistic. His stats woulda been better had his recievers not dropped a couple balls.

    Petty very rarely went beyond the first read and almost all of his incompletions came from the second or beyond read. His foot work wasnt good, he played like he did in college. I specifically watched to see if he went beyond his second read and he rarely did. Granted he didn't have to often, but when he did, he struggled. He got worse as the cast around him changed to 3rd stringers. He wasnt terrible but he certainly didnt outplay Geno by any stretch.

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  13. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I don't care about his stats, I'm talking about what I saw. The guy is inaccurate because his footwork sucks. Sometimes he' gets it right and throws nice passes. Re-watch his play in the first half, it was not good outside of a couple of passes.
     
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    You just are gonna see it how you want, but thr reality was, he wasnt outplayed nor was he bad. He was ok just like i said. Every drive doesnt result in points, so dont hold him to one standard and the others to another. Ive watched it a few times. I trust what i saw.

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  15. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    How am I holding him to a different standard than anyone? Where did I mention anything about needing to score points? I'm talking about specific details as to why I thought he didn't play well and your response is that I'm seeing what I want to and I'm not being fair.

    I see one QB who is inconsistent because of shitty footwork. The other QB has much better footwork and looked more comfortable in the pocket. I can't see that for you.
     
  16. zace

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    Because now the stats dont matter because they don't say he's the worst, but if they did, youd be all over that as your reason. He didnt look uncomfortable in the pocket all night. In fact i was kinda impressed how he looked. Better than he had. Was it perfect no, we dont have a grest qb on this roster at all.

    Petty looked ok but was clearly not ready to go to a second read. I really have no idea what youre seeing, but like i said you're seeing what you wanna see.

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  17. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Petty was getting to his second read fine. I went back and saw that after you mentioned it.

    If you think Geno looked good in the pocket I have no idea how.

    Maybe we watched different games.
     
  18. zace

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    Nah dude Petty definitely did not. He struggled after the first. That where his misses came. Theres nothing wrong with that tho. He can develop slowly. The reality is it takes years for qbs to develop. People expect Luck type progress and even he struggles. Be realistic.

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  19. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    lol

    Like I said, I went back and watched him make two nice checkdown completions. One of those was for a first down to Sudafed.

    I'm well aware of the fact that it takes time for QB's to develop. That doesn't mean he can't get past his first read in year two. I fucking watched it happen. Don't tell me it didn't happen.

    You're lost on this one. I question whether you even watched the game seeing how you said geno drove us down the field for a TD drive.
     
  20. zace

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    No youre lost dude. Youre so caught up in the blind geno hate you cant see past it. Quite frankly i trust my ability to scout much better than yours. Petty wasnt great bro and he played 3rd stringers so i dont wanna hear it. He got sloppier as the game went on, when the defense just went more conservative taking away the first read. I watched, amd it stood out to me. You can disagree as much as you want, but it doesn't make you right. Geno will be here get over it. Theyre not putting their eggs is Petty yet.

    Now with that said, like i said, Petty was OK. He wasnt better than Geno he wasnt shit either. He was ok against back up. Most of which is below NFL talent. It seems the headcoach seems to agree with me.

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