Torre made $7 million last year. I think he'll live through you feeling he's being humiliated quite nicely.
Please show the better, non-Latin options he had at those positions at the time he signed them. Personally, I think he just signed the best players he could and they happened to be Latin. It's not like he said "Screw signing Josh Beckett, he's white. I'll take Jose Lima instead since he's Latin."
That doesn't make it any more respectful. If they do bring him back, it's almost as if they're doing Torre a favor. I'm not saying the organization is completely beyond reproach, but when you say you're going to fire someone if they lose, and they lose, it should a really easy decision.
Steinbrenner never said that..more bad media spin. He said "I don't think we will bring him back". Now they are making that decision and it will take time. I am sure Cashman is flying back to NY to talk to Torre and others right now. It's not like he has a contract and they are deciding to fire him. He has no contract and they are deciding whether or not they should rehire him, along with a lot of other people. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
"I don't think we will bring him back" wasn't exactly classy either. Torre was ambushed during that press conference. Look, if you think there's nothing wrong with that, then the Yankees are clearly the team for you. This thread isn't the first place the idea that what the Yankees are doing is classless; it's not just anti-Yankee rhetoric. One last thing: In an ironic twist, the closest situation I could think of to this was in 2003, when the Red Sox let Grady Little twist in the wind for about 2 weeks following the Pedro/Boone debacle. His contract was expiring too; it's a funny parallel. The main difference is that Little was obviously far less accomplished, and there was no equivalent to the Steinbrenner line.
Aren't they showing Torre respect by actually thoughtfully making a decision? Why should they rush to give him a contract extension. "Class" aside, how is that smart?
Joe Torre has been a great manager but lets be honest. 2004: Lose 4 straight games to Red Sox in ALCS after being up 3-0. 2005: Can't get out of first round. 2006: Can't get out of first round. 2007: Can't get out of first round. Possibly time for a change.
True, but it's not like they haven't had the opportunity to think this one over. Besides, Steinbrenner was always an impulse shopper. Of course, he could be a vegetable right now.
Well, everyone knew that playoff results would be a huge factor in any decision that is made, so it's hard to make a decision on the manager in the middle of a regular season. Another thing I find very curious. The Yankees haven't escaped the first round, which their opposing fans certainly enjoy, but when they hesitate to resign their manager who has certainly played a role in it (the degree to which is debatable), it's seen as "classless". Isn't there is a conflict in priorities there? If the idea is to win, shouldn't they exploring any avenues to improve the team? Is there any logic in the way davecrazy is looking at this? Or can we just talk it up to more of the usual from his profile? And I thought we were doing so well!
Steinbrenner is no longer making the decisions alone. There are at least 3 people involved and they didn't get together to discuss it until Tuesday. Like I said before, Torre is free to sign with anybody he wants. Nobody is holding him hostage.
No, there is no logic at all. He just thought he saw an opening to bash the Yankees again. Now here is classless. Manny Ramirez's comments yesterday on winning the ALCS: "It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world." I'm sure all the people in Boston who have spent all that money to watch the Redsox really appreciate him now. If he isn't admiring his HRs when they are 5 runs down then he is making comments like this.
What manny also said. 1. He still has confidence in the team’s chances on Thursday, and knows that they’re not giving up. 2. He believes the proper approach against the Indians, who are playing good baseball right now, is to play hard. 3. He’d rather be going to the World Series again than to have the postseason HR record.
thats just manny being manny....as far as the this thread is concern.....its pure stupidity....as many other posters have stated, Torre has no contract... the yankees owe him nothing...including a timetable to let him know if theyre interested in his services or not.....just a real stupid thread
all fairness to the Yankees org......I'm betting they are or have been negotiating with Torre during this time which is ultimately holding up the announcement.....torre probably knows more than the rest of us, seems to me they will bring him back if the price is right....still not the best way to handle this imho.... and people who are getting upset at Manny's comments are ridiculous.first of all they have been completely blown out of proportion, second of all, when your as clutch as he is, who cares what he says.as long as he produces, which he always does
Lets look at some facts here. Torre won 4 baseball titles with an all-star studded lineup with the highest payroll in baseball. He's enjoyed this advantage for all 12 of his years if I am not mistaken. If you supposedly have the best team (payroll) in baseball and only win a third of the time...that's kind of...crappy if you think about it. What did Torre do anywhere else before becoming skipper of the Yanks? I think a lot of managers could have won what he did with the talent he had. The Yankees had the "audacity" to offer him an incentive based contract to see if he could actually produce. I would argue they were more than fair. The base salary they offered him would STILL have kept him the highest paid manager in baseball despite the fact he has choked like a dog for 7 years straight.
Winning 4 titles in 12 years is a very hard thing to do, no matter how much talent you have. A lot of the postseason is based on luck, and although they couldn't win it all I can't argue with 12 years in the playoffs in a row. Look at some of the other high payroll teams, such as the Dodgers, Mets and M's who have done next to nothing (besides the Mets last year and the M's in 01) in the playoffs, and have rarely made it at that.
I agree totally with everything,except the "choking like a dog" part. The Yankees were still very successful for the last 7 years,winning the division 6 of them. I don 't think the payroll during the 4 Championship years was near todays that draws so much attention.
