The Tightend

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  1. JetsNation

    JetsNation New Member

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    Some people have said Sanchez could be just that he has the athletic ability of a Brees, actually more athletic, he just doesn;t get put in the best situations. Personal is just as important as scheme when it comes to making QB's good.

    New England puts the type of weapons Brady needs around him. They got him his slot guy(Welker), possession guy(Ocho), deep threat(Branch), 2 great TE's(Gronk and Hernandez) and a stout O-Line.

    New Orleans has Meachem, Moors, Colston, Henderson, Graham and Sproles.

    We're not building around Mark, we need to start doing so
     
  2. Rawrk

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    i've always thought the team did a decent job of trying to bring in talent around sanchez. not all of the moves have worked out but they've definitely given him talent to work with. keller was on the team but guys like braylon, holmes, plax, lt, mcknight, kerley.. these guys were all brought in to help sanchez.

    the difference is that right now, sanchez isn't at a level where he can elevate the play of the guys around him. brady and brees are. schotty also sucked. so you look at those teams and go wow, what a talented bunch. but guys like branch, meachem, henderson aren't special players.

    but i think the jets have been trying to build around sanchez for a few years now.

    i don't really know what to make of keller. he plays like a slow wr. then there are games where he's like dallas clark. he is sanchez's favorite target so i'd be wary of letting him go though.
     
  3. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    Hah, but knowing the jets they will trade up and take a guard.
     
  4. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Charlie Ward for backup QB?
     
  5. ILL-AL

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    Getting rid of Keller would be a mistake
     
  6. Ohio Jet

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    Watching these teams play it makes me wonder what a good quarterback would do for Dustin Keller. We have all hoped that Mark would step up, he would have great games and then disappear for several games.

    If anything sticks out in these games, it is how poor our play has been at QB. Blame the line, Blame the OC, Blame the WRs, Blame the TEs, Blame whoever you want. QB play was horrible and the difference in playing the off season or staying home. Maybe you fix the QB situation by fixing the tackle situation and changing OCs. We should have the answer next year.
     
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  7. yanks9596

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    The quarterback makes the receiver. Not the other way around.

    I'm glad I get to watch real quarterback play these last few weeks so I can put into its proper perspective just how putrid our own quarterback play has been. it truly is a world apart.
     
  8. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    one thing is for sure will will see some players from Miami come to the Jets i wouldn't mind bringing in Vernon Carey
     
  9. Mambo9

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    Please... we have a glorified slot WR and a guy with a broken achilles tendon (bad, BAD injury to have at a skill position).

    One guy I can see coming over is Martellus Bennet from the Cowboys... who won't solve any problems but at least is the first step in admitting there IS a problem.
     
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  10. 1968jetsfan

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    The problem is Mark has never shown the Accuracy of either of the guy's you've mentioned, even when he has time. He also doesn't do two other things those two do exceptionally well. Mark doesn't read defenses very quickly, and he's slow to see open recievers and when he does see them often doesn't hit them in stride allowing for YAC....

    Until Mark can read defenses so he know's where the open guy is likely to be and until he gets his passes accurate he'll never be anywhere close to the class you've mentioned, regardless of what weapons he has.

    You'll note for example that when Branch has been with Brady he's been good, but when he's been on teams without Brady he's been a JAG basically. I hate Brady, but he does two things exceptionally well. He reads defenses and he's accurate...
     
  11. Hobbes3259

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    Mulligans spot should be eliminated from the offense.

    We've had a non-catching, Blocking only TE on the roster for far too long....
     
  12. Hobbes3259

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    Yes, hopefully the days of trotting out someone like Hartsock or Mulligan are over...Sure, lets just tell the defense they can keep an extra guy at the line.
     
  13. The_Darksider

    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    He's listed at 6'2", but there's no way......he's more like 6 even, maybe slightly taller.
     
  14. fozzi58

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    Agreed

    Unless the WRs name is Megatron.

    What do you mean by "I'm glad I get to watch real quarterback play these last few weeks ". Are you referring to Eli? Brady? Or was it regarding Alex Smith and Joe Flacco?
     
  15. abyzmul

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    I don't get this whole 'poised to have a big impact' nonsense.

    Justin McCareins was poised to have a breakout year every season until the actual season started. Look at Martellus Bennett in Dallas. Long, rangy TE who Cumberland actually resembles. The guy is a beast in camp every year. Then he either spends most of the season injured, or invisible, or doing his best women's volleyball impression.

    In the NFL, you have either proven yourself, or you haven't. In this instance, 'poised to make an impact' means the latter, with prettier language.
     
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    Whether he's poised for anything is debatable, but he is basically the same player as Keller. Receiving TE who can't block.
     
  17. Johnny4

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    I've stood next to him, he's 6 2.
     
  18. displacedfan

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    Disagree. Good receivers can make Qb's look better or make everything easier. If you have a Calvin, Larry, Andre you know they win on single coverage no matter what (unless Revis is on the opposite side). If they double or focus on that receiver it opens up coverage. Elite QB's make wide receivers look better, Elite wide receivers make QB's look better.
     
  19. Br4d

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    On the issue of Sanchez accuracy: let's see what he can do in a standard offense that is not doing all the stuff the Jets were doing the last three seasons.

    We saw WR's run into each other this year. We saw Sanchez and WR's clearly not on the same page at times in terms of where routes were going. We saw WR's have real trouble making catches at times even when everything else went right. Sanchez probably had no idea where his receivers were going to wind up a lot of the time or how tightly they were going to run their routes this year. Having a lot of multiple routes will do that to a QB and his WR's when they don't know each other all that well to start with and then the off-season goes away.

    Basically we saw a sloppy offense that was out of sync the entire season, probably because the Jets were doing things that were way too complex for a bunch of imports to do well with no off-season. They may well have been too complex anyway but the fact that Plaxico and Mason and Kerley weren't here to look at the system in the off-season was a flashing red flag on going pass first as the Jets tried to do.

    If Schotty and company had been smart we'd have doubled down on Ground and Pound this year with no off-season to speak of other than training camp. That would have fixed a lot of the problems instead of exacerbating them.
     
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  20. JetsNation

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    I'd love to trade Keller for a 3rd

    Sign Kellen Davis 6'7 270 4.6 speed, better blocker than Keller, great hands

    Move Jeff Cumberland to #2 6'4 260, bigger target than Keller same speed

    Sign a young TE- Michael Williams from Alabama about 6'6 260, big kid great blocker
     

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