yep but he led us to 10 points at Cle and 13 at Ari. The week after Cle gave up 58 and Ari gave up 26. Mccareins willed us to win a Cle and Quincy made 1 great throw against Ari. Thankfully Chad came back a week later and we score 29 and won.
We've been over this at least a dozen times so I think I'm safe leaving it at the schedule was much much easier when Johnson took over. Daunte was beating the crappy teams and would've continued to do so. And Daunte has not been a top QB since 04.
As long as you score more points than the other team you win right???? And Lamonts Int and Herm's & Hacketts inability to remember that time was running out in the Balt game had nothing to do with why they lost that one? Regardless of the circumstances, Quincy's record was 2-1 as a starter for the Jets in 04. Which means that the Jets won more than they lost with him as the starter.
That 3 game losing streak led to regime change in NY. If the Jets make the playoffs that year then Parcells sticks around and Groh does also. Think how different everything around here would be.
Well said post! I totally agree. The Jets have a real opportunity to do something special here, given the pre-season expectations. I also feel some of these posts about wanting to see clemens and how we can't go to the next level with CP are boarder line ridiculous at this time of the season and,IMO, missing the point of this thread.
For me the stakes have never changed. I've been expecting playoffs from this team well before the season started. GO JETS!
This team has over achieved. Sorry, but looking to go 11-5 isn't realistic, although I can still hope for such a miracle. We still have holes. We can't establish the run against a decent defense yet, nor can we stop a good running attack. We're still giving up a lot of rushing yards, but manage to get a turn over or a stop when we need it. That makes for wins against bad teams, but it isn't a blueprint for winning consistantly either. Finishing with a 2-2 record, 9 wins is what I think is a reasonable expectation, while I will of course hope for more. That is 2 more wins than my optomistic preseason hopes were. This is the bane of most Jets fans. They have unrealistic expectations after the team over achieves. It's fine to be optomistic, but when optomism turns into expectation, you are bound to be disappointed. The playoffs would be gravy, but I still think it will be 2008 before this team becomes an 11 or 12 win super bowl contender. Reset your sights, get ready to cry. Remember this team IS rebuilding. It's just been a little more fun to watch is all.
Which team on our remaining schedule is not a bad team? Three weeks ago I would have agreed that 9-7 was the Jet's likely ceiling. Now it's really hard seeing them not winning 10 games and possibly 11 with a bit of luck. If we actually had tough games left on the schedule I would not be as optimistic as that, but the toughest game is Miami in Miami and the Jets are going to have a hard time losing that game when it is likely the key to the playoffs. I mean they may fumble it away, but it won't be one of those losses where they didn't have anything in particular riding on it.
Overachieved compared to what? This team has talent all over it on every unit. There isn't an elite team in the league without issues. The closest thing to one is probably SD but they have Shotty as their coach. We have as much or more talent as every team we face down the stretch, we are very healthy compared to most NFL teams going into week 14 and we have a great young staff that has us prepared for every team with a unique package of plays on both sides of the ball. We also are playing teams with nothing to play for down the stretch.
I guess you ignored my posts about Daunte's record vs/ bad teams. I'll post it again for you- this time please read. it will end this argument: Culpepper played 4 playoff teams and lost by an average score of 32-9, Johnson lost to 1 playoff team and beat 2 and that 1 playoff team was Pitt and they lost 18-3 but the game was close until late. 0-4 v.s 2-1, losing by 15 or losing by an average of 23? You decide. Oh by the way, johnson was 2-1(66%) against .500 or above teams, in daunte's career he is 14-27(34%). Last year johnson was 5-1 against .500 or below teams(83%), Culpepper is 24-15(62%) in his career. 7-16 since he took over in 2002 and if you add in since the beginning of '02 it's 8-19. Parcells wasn't sticking around, he didn't even want to be there in 2000.
What will this end? Johnsons "victories" over .500 teams consisted of a 24-21 win over the Giants where the Vikings returned a kickoff, punt and INT for a TD and a 34-10 win over the Bears when neither team had anything to play for and Chicago lined up Kyle Orton and Jeff Blake under center. Culpepper was 2-0 against teams under .500 in 05 so I guess he was better in that regard?
That's a game the Vikes would have lost w/ a boneheaded TO by daunte but Brad was patient and when his team needed him most he led them down the field for the GW FG. Did you miss the rest of the #s I posted? or are you ignoring them?
We're going to discuss made up scenarios now? Pure nonsense. What numbers? You're cherry picking one year of a guys career and comparing them to another guys career that has been played mostly on horrible defensive teams. How is Brad Johnson doing this year when the Vikings have an actual defense? He's been one of the worst QBs in the NFL. I'm also sick of you derailing topics with this Culpepper obsession and I'm not going to reply in the future.
What was I cherry picking? I posted Daunte vs. sub .500 teams and I postd Brad last year vs. sub .500 teams. you calimed Minny only won b/c they played a weka sched, I showed you how daunte didn't win as much vs. sub .500 teams. Most of the dolphin fans I argued w/ all offseason have come to the realization that daunte is overrated, why can't you? You have no argument other than meaningless fantasy #s. This year Brad is struggling but the guy is near the end of his career, he was last year too and that shows even more how bad daunte was in his first action w/o Moss. how was daunte doing in Miami? Joey harrington looks good to dolphin fans that's how bad Daunte is.
Buffalo always gives us fits. Miami can be tough at home, and they have been playing better as well. While Minny is a team with many problems, they aren't easy to beat at home. They are capable of an upset. We shouldn't have lost to Cleveland, but we did. The Titans just beat the Colts. Any given Sunday. Winston, I agree we have some solid talent, but we still match up poorly against teams with a strong defense and/or a solid running game. If we can get our running game going against a decent defense, then I would agree. I think the reason we are winning isn't a talent issue, it's a coaching issue. Great game plans, being hard to game plan against are the promary reasons we have 7 wins, along with a very soft schedule. We are what, 1-3 against teams with a winning record? The right side of the O line isn't good at all. Mangold and Ferguson steadilly improve, as do Leon and Cedric, especially in the blocking area, but our offense is largely one dimensional.... the short passing game. The improving defense is what will keep us in games, but yes, I think we still are a bit short in two key areas... the front seven and the O line. We have a lot of blue collar types on O, but no game breakers. I'm just sayin.... I think we are getting there, but we aren't there just yet.
We know Herm's history of winning the coin toss against Buffalo, electing to take the wind (kick off BOTH halves) and watch Willis M. run the ball down our throat the whole 1st and 3rd quarter. It was all part of Herm's "clock management 101."
"the measuring stick for Mangini?s Jets is now how they perform in the last 4 games". Lets face it. Last season the J E T S were completly inept. The coaching staff did not have a clue how to prepare this team to compete. Everyone bitched and moaned about the same old J E T S. This franchise finally caught a break when CLUELESS Herm the jackass bolted. We knew we were facing a few rebuilding years. We finally have a team that comes ready and most important well prepared to compete, thanks to a coaching staff that understands its personnel and how to use them. I am pleasantly surprised and ecstatic where this team is right now, but, I do not want instant gratification and suffer for another 10 years with mediocre teams. Successfull franchises are not born overnight, you need a good nucleus of players,the addition of key elements every year and coaching. Mangini and staff recognized the existing nucleus and started adding key elements. This team is not built for now, Mangini is building for the future. If we do not make it to the playoff so what, who expected them to? Making the playoffs is not everything. The last 4 games will not define if this was a successfull year. This team has already shown a vast improved over last years team and their record and on the field of play prove it. As far as I'm concerned this has been a very successfull year for this team. This is noly the first step in building a successful franchise that will be competetive for several years.
Yer a smart dude... unless yer name is Nicky in the female vernacular. Spot on.... and solid post #2! One favor.... another paragraph would be nice.... us old people get dizzy easilly.
