The secondary is entering a world of pain...a WORLD of pain

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  1. Greenday4537

    Greenday4537 Well-Known Member

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    If Milliner is back for the bears, I think we'll be fine.

    Calvin Johnson is a beast. He made the Giants look stupid out there. He does that to a lot of people. The way they played last night, I wouldn't be shocked to see them make a deep playoff run. But I'm not worried about Bush or Tate. They aren't to be feared.

    Rivers is just slightly above average these days. Would I take him over Geno? Yea. But he struggles a lot against average defenses now so I think we can handle him.

    And for the Broncos? ....Ok, onto the next team.

    Patriots. God only knows. Maybe Brady is finally declining (One can only hope). You never know what will happen in an AFC East rivalry game. Dolphins definitely got better but they still only have Tannehill and I'm not convinced their defense made up of old geezers can keep up with the younger offenses.
     
  2. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    Funny how nobody is all over Idzik today after Revis and DRC and Davis were all toasted this weekend. I wonder why Idzik didn't want to spend $10 million for a CB now?
     
  3. jcass10

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    I would imagine that Detroit and Denver are probably solid, but can Chicago, New England, Green Bay and San Diego stop the run?

    I understand the story of the year is the Jets secondary. But the Jets are going to have the best running game in the league (top 3 at worst IMO), and none of these teams have showed to be able to stop the run. Jets match up well with some of these teams. I dont know if they have the talent to take them down, but they should compete.

    Detroit seems like a bad matchup, they have a damn strong interior DLine. They will probably fare better against the run.

    But I think the media isnt looking at the whole picture. Jets arent a great matchup for some of these teams.
     
  4. LAJet

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    Indeed, indeed.
    I will say Megatron can not be single covered by any CB in the league. He absolutely destroyed DRC during the first half but he can do that to anyone....did it to Revis against us.
    Nonetheless, your point is well taken and proves beyond the shadow of a doubt the insanity of paying that much for any CB, especially DRC. Without an elite pass rush you are nothing. That's where the money needs to go.
    Hooray for Idzik
     
  5. Big Blocker

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    About Green Bay, since they are up first.

    Putting the Jets aside, I figured pre-season that the Packers should be in the hunt for an NFC title. Rodgers is one of the best Qb's in the league, and I would pick him as my Qb for a season run. But the closer I look at them, they have some real issues. And their issues are where they become a bad matchup against the Jets. For starters, they don't have much of a run D, and I think if they try to compensate by loading it up, Marty can make them pay with screens and such. Meanwhile they don't have much of a running attack.

    Green Bay season long may well end up being ahead of Detroit, but right now I fear playing Detroit more than the Packers. Rodgers may still win it for them, and the Jets are not the road warriors they have been now and then in the past. But what with the two Chris's and the Jets run D, I feel better about this game.

    Having said that, all bets are off if the Jets can't clean it up and avoid too many penalties and turnovers, obviously. Green Bay would make them pay in a way Oakland could not, and as it was the Jets only beat the Raiders by 5 at home.
     
  6. Footballgod214

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    Good write up bigcockblocker. I agree with it.

    Something Rex's dad once said: "A QB can't complete a pass if he's on his back".

    Yes, we're facing 'murders row' of QBs, BUT we're facing them with the one weapon teams need to beat them: A dominant front 7 that shuts down the run and forces QBs to become one dimensional, then attacks that one dimension.

    Add Geno's seemingly improved play plus our #1 running game and: "A QB can't complete a pass if he's on the bench".

    Jets can easily go 3-3 against the next 6 which gives us a winning record heading into the bye.

    I'll take it.
     
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  7. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    The secondary has very good tacklers. There won't be a lot of y.a.c. teams are going to have to try to beat us verically. This week i am not sure the packer o.l. can hold up long enough for those deep plays to develope.
     
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    Well said Big Blocker. Right on he money.
    It boils down to the usual clichés, good execution and no critical penalties. If we play a smart game, not perfect but solid, avoid costly turnovers and penalties, and force them to play their A game to beat us we have a damned good shot. If we give them chances thru careless errors and turnovers. or lack of focus, like dropping passes or sure interceptions we are in trouble.
     
  9. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Let's go ahead and dispel this notion of Revis getting burned all game against the Phins. He played LCB every single down he was on the field and they only threw at him 5 times. 1 was a completed crossing route to Wallace, 1 was a TD in very tight coverage, 2 were defended well, and another could possibly have been a TD (and the only play that he could be considered "burned" all game) if Tannehill hadn't wildly overthrown it. Other than that, they avoided whoever he was covering the entire game.
     
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    I hope Beli keeps Revis on the left side after watching Sherman get stuck on one side covering the Packers worst WR the entire game with zero throws-to. Rex can give Nelson a weekend off on Revis Island while Decker runs wild.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I think it's because Browner can only play one side, from his Seahawks days. I know that Browner is suspended right now, but I think he's trying to get the D acclimated to Revis playing only one side from game 5 to the end of the season (and hopefully no further).

    Wouldn't be surprised to see him change things up just to fuck with the Jets, though.
     
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  12. Big Blocker

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    To be clear about the Pack I do not mean to say they have no running attack. Lacy is listed as first on the depth chart, but Starks may be better right now.

    But if the Jets give Rodgers time, he could take the Jets apart with those receivers. I'm just saying hte Jets have a good shot if they clean it up.
     
  13. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Not for anything and I agree with the sentiments of how all these big name corners struggled all weekend long; prime Revis held Megatron to 1 catch, 13 yards when we played them in 2010. I don't remember the game completely or if it was island coverage everytime but I do remember him playing island man to man coverage most of the game.
     
  14. Big Blocker

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    Part of last night's success for Detroit had to do imo with Stafford elevating his game. The announcers noted he's in great shape, and he looked slimmer and quicker. I don't think he's suffering from any injuries hanging on. Meanwhile his OL had their hands full some time from the Giant pass rush, but for the most part they were giving Stafford time, and even when not he rolled out to great effect on a few plays. He keeps this up all season, and people will say he's become top five at last. In other words, it is not just Johnson, it is also on Stafford and the Detroit OL.

    I even think Tate was a contributor, certainly in the third quarter. Detroit I am afraid now has one of hte top passing attacks in the league.
     
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    While this is all true it doesn't have much to do with what I was saying. Stafford was 20/36 for 240, 2 TD's and no picks in an overtime loss. My point was that Revis followed Calvin Johnson all over the field and allowed only one catch. This in the season when Calvin still caught 77 balls for 1100+ yards regardless of Stafford's progress.
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    Those stats do not belie that Detroit's even better at getting the ball to Johnson now than when Revis played him for the Jets.

    And no one is saying DRC is just as good as Revis, anyway. I mean he's not making as much, right? You get what you pay for.
     
  17. mezzavo

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    I really like our chances against the Packers. Factor in our front 7 and what the Pack doesn't do well we match up very well where it counts...

    But I'm on board with everyone else...12 Penalties and 2 turnovers and we'll get smoked...our "holding" issues have GOT to get cleaned up. Those were over half the penalties.
     
  18. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Leave it to Butt Clunker to turn this into a Lions discussion.
     
  19. MaximusD163

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    Maybe the Detroit game will be a loss for us, but I think that we can see Chicago and Green Bay aren't the gauntlet many considered them to be early on. Both Green Bay and Chicago have weak offensive lines and are vulnerable to our front 7. Cutler especially starts to play wild when he gets pressured a lot. Green bay will probably be the second toughest but I think it will be very close and I don't expect Rodgers to have a career day passing.
     
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  20. Big Blocker

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    Rodgers is still probably the better Qb than Stafford, although last night suggested that gap is alot smaller. GB's problem is I think they are vulnerable to the Jets' running game. GB will do better running it than Oakland, but certainly not enough to rely on, meaning Rodgers will have to carry the load for them to prevail. Still, they will be at home and have really good receivers. Again, if the Jets make mistakes, they probably won't win, but I have more confidence now that I am more aware of the subtleties of the matchups between the two teams.

    Chicago is a different story. I think Cutler gets the ball to those receivers even if pressured. But that's down the road, so among other things we will see better what to make of their loss to the Bills before then.
     

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