The real problem with PED's is that they're harshly destructive to the body's filtering systems (liver, kidneys) and they confer a temporary advantage to the people that use them before the destruction begins in earnest. This puts anybody who wants to compete with a PED user in the situation of having to destroy their body or likely lose the competition. It's true that nobody has to be a professional athlete however it's also true that PED's don't have to be part of the competition to be a professional athlete. We don't allow all competitive advantages to be in play we just set bars at certain points and then move those bars as they become harmful or bad for the image of the sport. As an example it is not legal to put a hood over your head and hit your competitor in the knee with a socket wrench to gain an advantage in the competition. It shouldn't be legal to harm them in other ways, by forcing them to use PED's to keep up, either.
Injectable steroids don't do a whole lot of damage to liver/kidneys as far as I know. The oral kind will wreck you though if you aren't careful. And idk about HGH, it might.
Steroids have to work their way out of the body as does the refuse associated with them. That process goes through the kidneys and liver for the most part.
Right. And I'm telling you that steroids(testosterone) injected directly into the muscle does very little damage to the liver. Far less than alcohol, for instance.
Lol believe me I have read more than one article including ones that differentiate between the effects of oral vs injectable steroids. I can post articles too. http://www.e-steroid.com/steroid-articles/effects-of-steroids.html
Was that translated from Ancient Abyssinian or something? I have a deep-seated aversion to websites done in Yoda-speak.
Lol. I mean its really not a big deal. All steroids are harmful for the most part as used by these athletes because they are likely using high dosages and not cycling off properly. I was just trying to point out that there are safer ways to use them, just like with any drug. Thousands of people are given Testosterone Cypionate by their medical doctors legally as this is the common treatment for low testosterone in older men and their livers do not suffer.
A major advantage of injecting a drug is it bypasses the liver (versus orally where its primarily metabolized by it) The kidney is the primary route of drug excretion for most drugs, not the liver. So yes they can be very nephrotoxic, but injecting them makes them substantially less hepatotoxic. They're going to have negative effects regardless, and im not going to say that its good for your liver, but with injected steroids liver damage is not a huge concern of mine.
Pretty sure the amount of a test given to a 50 year old dude who cant keep it up, is exponentially different than a guy in his 20s/30s trying to achieve a level of fitness greater than 99.9% of the world. If you drink a beer its unlikely your liver is going to suffer. if you drink 20 in an evening, that could change.
its just frustrating to see people talked about like wow look how amazing this guy is, he is a superstar... no he is a cheat not a superstar. im waiting for someone to start to wonder about lebron james and peds.... it seems pretty obvious to me, but hey i dont know anything.
I think Lebron is a genetic gift from god. lol. But a lot of these guys you can tell. Anybody who goes through a drastic body transformation in a short amount of time is a cheater. If they start talking about their nutrition and training plan they are full of shit. There is a maximum amount of muscle you can gain in an "offseason" and it isn't 20/30 lbs like a lot of these guys are gaining. Ryan Braun is a PED user. Laron Landry. I've suspected Cameron Wake
Everyone "cheats". It's pointless to single out this guy or that guy... fact of the matter is, to keep up in today's game, you have to be running something. Fact, not opinion, regardless of what you may "hope" to be true. The real question is, why does everyone pretend to care so much? Athletes have been juicing en masse since the 80s, so ironically all the people wishing for a "more level playing field" (whatever that means) would lose interest in the sport pretty quickly when the intensity of the game dropped accordingly with the losses of athletic ability (as it would). There are dangers to steroids, but they aren't so much the "liver/kidney" issues as mentioned above either. Unless, as has been said, we're talking about orals. It's been said that pretty much everyone in the league runs growth year round, which makes sense... I'd imagine the majority of athletes get the bulk of their cycling done during the offseason, probably test + some oral (maybe something else), and if they run anything during the season (risky), it'd probably be a suspension + something like Halo or cheque drops. You gotta figure many of these guys have also built the foundations of their physique back in HS/college, so I imagine the use of stuff like deca or tren isn't very high (especially given detection times).
Exactly. Bonds did the latter and remained big. mcGwire did the former and melted when he stopped. Guys BB has this exactly correct.
anytime i see anything tendon related its also a big red flag... no i wouldnt stop watching because the intensity of the game dropped. the intensity doesnt drop, the absurdity drops and it will actually become a better game again. and if it doesnt stop the game of football will suffer irreparable damage.
