Nobody doubts how dominant he can be. Its all about supply and demand. Basic economic principles. ITs what the market will bear right now. His worth on todays trade market is just not equal to his talent level. He has a huge price tag, has a history of injuries, history of attitude problems and so on. There is a reason people arent beating down the Jets doors right now with high or middle first round picks for the guy. JA talent level = first round for sure Whole trade value = high second round and or addtional picks and or players
HeeHee That's what you think. Fortunately Seattle disagrees. So now that the market has been set - are you willing to pony up for his new 'whole trade value'(I really liked that one)? If not be prepared to have Abraham chasing the Falcon's QB's rather than chasing QB's for the Falcons : )
If what you say is true, injury history, etc, then you guys should NOT be willing to commit $14-$18 million to this guy. You're saying one thing: "only worth a 2nd", but doing another: willing to pay him like a Pro Bowl difference maker. Doesn't add up!
Money is not the issue AF1987. It's HIS VALUE. He can flat out play he's a pro bowler, he was a former 1st rounder who has played ABOVE his expectations. He is WORTH a 1st round pick flipside...FALCONS fans would be INSULTED if WE the JETS offered the same package.
Willing to pay him that is one thing. You have to add in the value of the 15th overall into that. Its not just about the money.Its about overall value. Like I said before his talent level is first rounder for sure, but his trade value just isnt. Lots of factors go into how much someone is worth. I.E health history, attitude injury, price tag when signed, age, ability and loads else.
Bro the 31st is just a high round second. You yourself know this is nowhere close to the value of the 15th overall.
I know that the values aren't close. But if it was your team - which pick would you want - the Hawks first or your second? The answer is obvious. You are engaged with the Hawks in a bidding war for Abrahams services. It is thus on your shoulders to find a way to trump Seattle's offer if you wish to retain Abe's services. We are in no way obligated to find a way to make it work with you guys because Abe wishes to be in ATL. If you can't find a way to up Seattle's offer then, sorry, it just wasn't meant to be.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-jets-abraham&prov=ap&type=lgns This was a leaked source that only said There is no commitment by the Jets there is no confimation that it is only the 31st pick. You are assuming the Jets are allready agreeing to a 31st pick only. That may not be the case. It's a poker game and the Jets don't have to pay on any high hand. Atlanta has no cards to play other than calling the Jets bluff or sweatening the deal.
Why would you choose to respond in such a juvenile fashion? If you want to be taken seriously, then act that way.
Will someone please update me since I have been cutoff from the football world for 3 days.... why are the Broncos out of the running of getting Abraham?
Whatever, man. You're rationalizing. Let's look at the other scenario, Matt Schaub and a lower pick for Abe. You guys said no. Let's leave alone the fact that this refusal is a complete act of no faith in Mike Vick (you'd rather keep a backup QB with about 3 games experience than get an established 3 time pro bowl edge rusher) and instead focus on the "value" there. You don't think Abe has more value than a backup QB? Especially one that won't be with your team in 2007 and in an market with numerous capable backups (Kerry Collins, Harrington, etc, etc) available? It's this simple, Atlanta wants Abraham, willing to pay him big money, but on their terms only. Not gonna happen!
Atlanta Talking Points In case anybody missed it the multiple times it has been posted here and on other threads by our Atlanta visitors... The Falcons "official" position is that: A LATE FIRST ROUND PICK IS JUST A "DRESSED UP SECOND". Its like listening to politicians droning the same point over and over again. Here's the deal boys..unless you can top that "Dressed Up Second".. you go home empty handed.
Hey I never said I wouldnt deal Schaub for Abe. Just not the 15th. Its you people who think hes worth more. I think hes worth more than a second for sure, just how much, I dont know really. But to keep saying hey we have a first rounder on the table for Abe so to get him you have to give up the 15th when the first rounder youre talking about is the 31st is just kinda funny to me. Whole lotta difference between the 15th and 31st and you guys know it.
Who knows what the official Falcons posistion is except the FO of the Falcons. And you have to admit having the 31st pick is just like having the 33rd pick. Only difference is the 33rd pick is in the 2nd round.
As Ronald Reagan used to say: "There you go again". EVERY SPACE in a draft is critical... EVERY SINGLE ONE. Don't think so.. Well I recall the 1991 draft where the Falcons traded up ONE SPACE in front of the Jets in the second round. You know who the Falcons took? Fellow by the name of BRETT FAVRE. Which left us with a fellow by the name of BROWNING NAGLE. So a late first round pick IS a late first round pick...not a fancy second.
To be honest with u guys, I don't think we're giving up Shaub. I read a post about we're trying to lowball you guys, u couldn't be more wrong. Your FO slept on him too. We got him in the 3rd round. You easily could have got him as well. JA is not worth Shaub and our 15th pick. He's not worth our 15th pick alone. We've already got burned with Peerless Price and a #1 pick. We could get a top DE with that pick. JA wanna play for us. Cut the ties and your losses and let him go. ATLANTA FALCONS!!!!!
I dont know if this has been posted yet so here is todays article about Abe from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Abraham caught in trade triangle DE wants to play for Falcons, but Jets agree to Seahawks deal By STEVE WYCHE The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 03/20/06 Defensive end John Abraham is intent on playing for the Falcons, his agent, Tony Agnone, confirmed Sunday. The contract agreement he reached Friday with Atlanta and his word are his bond. But Abraham might not have the final say. The New York Jets, who own the three-time Pro Bowl selection's rights, have thwarted Abraham's relocation by treating the Falcons' trade offer of a second-round draft pick as insufficient. Instead, the Jets have agreed to trade him to the Seattle Seahawks for a first-round draft choice, and that decision has left Abraham "not happy," according to Agnone. In a brief e-mail to the Journal-Constitution, Agnone said there had been no developments in the saga over the weekend. He added that there have been no new contract talks between Abraham and the Seahawks, and that Abraham is intent on suiting up for the Falcons. Atlanta officials said they would not stop their pursuit of Abraham, who has 53 1/2 career sacks and would bolster a defensive line in dire need of a pass-rushing end from the right side. Whether that means they'll have to sweeten their offer to the Jets remains to be seen. The remarks from Abraham's agent were the first since his client was placed in football purgatory Friday afternoon. The tricky part of this scenario is that for any trade to be consummated, Abraham must come to contract terms with the team for which he would play. At the same time, the Jets have the right to get the best compensation possible, which Seattle has offered — 31st overall selection in the April 29-30 draft. The Falcons' second-rounder is the 47th pick overall. The sign-and-trade stipulation is a result of the Jets designating Abraham, a free agent, their "franchise player," which means they hold his rights for a season unless he's traded. New York, which is shifting to a 3-4 scheme that would make Abraham an awkward fit, does not have to trade Abraham and could make him play under a one-year contract worth $8.3 million. Though things were quiet over the weekend, the Falcons confirm talks are expected to resume as soon as today.
Uh, Abraham wouldn't be that awkward under the 3-4 fit. He spent time at SC as a LB. He'd likely have no problems switching to the "willie mcginest" role of the defense (ie: rush OLB in the 3-4). I love writers who have no idea what they are talking about.
Actually, he'd have lots of problems switching to the Willie McGinest role as a linebacker. In fact, if you recall, the Jets were going to switch him to that role, and, after a horrific time with it in training camp, Abraham was quietly placed back at defensive end full-time. He cannot cover. He played the role as a third down rusher in his first season, but you don't pay a one-dimensional rusher what he's asking for, and if you're Abraham, you don't take that spot, because the pay is too low. -X-
