I think Cleveland could win either or even possibly both of those games. They are playing hard to the end, they have Sanders and that TE Fannin trying to make names for themselves and Myles Garrett trying to break the sack record. Pittsburgh is a huge rival they will want to spoil.
It's amazing that our season came down to this. And I know it is not a great look to get rid the CS 1 year in as it makes new coaches a bit worried, but frankly speaking, I don't think any coach should be thinking that they can have the worst start in franchise history (and we are not exactly talking about a storied franchise here), then follow it up to complete with Kotite/Gase level season and retain the job. I think everyone understand when you are historically bad you are not getting a second year. If anything Woody is known for giving too much time to these coaches. So, I don't think firing AG now will have any impact on other HC wanting/not wanting the job. Not having a QB does have major impact, but hopefully it will be partially mitigated by having a high pick, which makes the game you speak of crucial. Granted, I am 99% sure Woody retains Glenn, so we will end up wasting another year, like the Bears with with Eberflus, but a good QB transcends the regimes too.
From your keyboard to the football Gods ears. I dont see it happening, but that would be pretty awesome.
To me, it has become pretty depressing to watch this idiotic lack of effort, people playing below their talent level, OL who was our strength digressing, weak game plan, and wasting precious time watching this hopeless circus. But even more frustrating is to live under the illusion that getting a higher pick will solve this problem. I hold zero hope.
The thing is LA, it's not an illusion if you have a decent coach. We saw majority of high QB picks lead teams to play-offs in recent history. It's just that the QB himself is not enough, it's a big part of the puzzle, a necessary one, but you need a coach too. And we haven't had one in a while and still don't. But if we ever to achieve this, we NEED a highly picked QB. It gives us a chance and also it gives a better chance to get a decent coach. Without the QB, it will always be in illusion. High pick this year IS critical, whether you want to admit it or not.
I believe the Giants will beat the Raiders and Cleveland picks up 1 win before the end. Then the draft order goes 1. Raiders 2. Jets 3. Giants 4. Browns
That would be a great outcome…assuming Moore declares, that would guarantee us a shot at either Mendoza or Moore without having to give up picks. That being said, we are the Jets, so we will probably end up picking 4th behind some combo of Raiders, Giants, and Browns ahead of us…and in that scenario, I think we’d have to trade up for a QB….which with these guys is probably not the way to go…
It is an illusion to me because we have been there before a few times and with poor results. So the answer has always been not when you pick, but do you have a GM and HC that knows what it takes.
Giants have weaker SoS than us, so we would be #3 in this case, they are still #2. I know what you mean, we are very scarred as Jets fans, but you need both: right people and the opportunity. For example in the Zach draft, you needed #1 pick to get a high probability for a good QB. Even #2 was not good enough and the tank failed that year if you recall. So, yes it does matter where you pick and it does matter to have the right people to then take advantage of it. Both are true, you need both. And that means tank now to get the opportunity does matter a lot and coach matters a lot. Both are not exclusive but complimentary.
Really hard to overstate how bad it was to beat the Browns earlier this year. Had we lost to them, we'd be picking #2 behind the Giants right now with the SOS tiebreaker over the Raiders, pretty much locking us into #2 overall at worst assuming we lose out.
14 points on STs against them and 10 points on ST against Atlanta to barely squeak past these teams and possibly fuck ourselves for years to come.
I hear you.My two cents. Picking Zack at two was a disgrace, and there is no indication that those deep shits would have done different if we drafted one. A number two overall pick wasted. What good was that, we would have been so much better off building the right team and keeping Sam. Letting Sam go was another major fuck up, we drafted right and screwed it up. Denver, KC, The Ravens, to name a few picked smartly at the position they were in and succeeded. I give you a hypothetical. If both Moore and Mendoza are the options, i would argue that picking Moore would probably be a success with the right coach and GM, and same so called successful GM might pass on Mendoza if it’s the remaining QB based on what they really want for a QB. We instead would take the consolation price and fail miserably, or worst, make the wrong choice if both available. or even worse we might even reach for a QB prospect with low probability of success. Then rinse and repeat two years down the road. So to me GM and CS talent tramps draft position by a bunch and until we fix that, the draft will not bear success. Of course all been equal the higher the position the higher the odds of success, but the draft is a crap shot, having the right leadership is a mandatory pre requisite.
Yes, CS/GM is most important, but we've now seen multiple examples where a QB transcended that. Caleb Williams, Lawrence, Maye. Heck even Bryce Young might make play-offs now. I agree we need CS/GM, but we do also need a QB. We do not have Sam now, which you referenced in your example, we have nothing. We need someone who can possibly give us a chance in the future, and for that we need that high pick. And btw, a QB is also a big reason why someone like Ben Johnson came to Chicago in spite of shit record and also I am sure Lawrence factored in Liam's decision. A QB can actually help get that CS you speak of. That is why it is even more critical to get a good young QB for the exact reason you mentioned: to get good CS.
Just floated this in another thread but going to put it here for emphasis. I don't hear any of you talking about what COULD happen if the Jets somehow magically landed with the #1 pick. BOTH Moore and Mendoza would stay in college. Oh, I could see it happening and that's a fact. If you were one of these kid's father would you let them get drafted by this team? I sure as fuck wouldn't. If my son were a top shelf college QB, I would not let the Jets touch him with a 1,000 foot pole. Back to school if there was some eligibility left, of which both Moore and Mendoza have. Getting drafted by the NY Jets is almost certainly a career killer, if not that, 100% guarantee that it's a career derailer. Just ask every QB that's been drafted by this team in the last 20 years.
As a Jets fan it's the only game worth watching next weekend Brook except me in the fantasy championships in 2 leagues...
Not sure why you’re beating this narrative into the ground. Three players have ever refused to play for teams in NFL history at the top of the draft that I can remember. Two of them were Manning’s. You really think the Browns or Raiders present a more desirable landing spot for a young QB? They don’t, so you’re basically saying these guys would refuse to play for 3-4 franchises. It’s just not a logical take at all dude.
It IS a logical take. Why isn't it a logical take? These kids make millions in college these days. As I stated in the other thread, the NY Jets are a bad brand move. ENTIRELY. With a 1st round pick, the big money doesn't start to show until year 3 or 4 on. The Jets have a 100% hit rate for QB failure. 100%. We're not talking maybe's or hyperbole here. The statistical odds are that a QB gets drafted by this team and will be either out of the league or on a different team by year 3. Year 4 at the latest. I mean, fuck man...the 2nd to last guy jettisoned is, quite literally, leading in league MVP circles and "we" couldn't make that guy work? I don't give a shit who was the coach, GM or whatever. The NY Jets couldn't make Sam Darnold "work" in any form, shape or fashion? All they did do is destroy the kid to the point where he needed to be scraped off the dung heap and rebuilt by real NFL coaches. If these kids weren't making the kind of bread in college they do today, I'd have to agree with you. However...
It doesn’t matter though. The next time it happens it will be the first time in 20 years and 4th in 60 years of the league. It doesn’t happen.
