That's the part that sucks - no passing game at all. I thought there was a lot of pressure, especially early. We stopped throwing, which helped with the pressure of course, but overall the protection was not amazing, there were interior leaks as well. Even I am admitting that Fields' evaluation has been completed. Now we need to put in a QB, who would allow us to throw the ball more. Realistic or not, but no I am not going to be happy to win a meaningless game and ruin draft position on the strength of extremely rare 2 specials TDs when the offense completely sucks and can't pass. If you are happy about it, that's fine by me. I was glad though that we kept Breece and he played well, maybe he could stay for next year with a better QB.
If you wanna be unhappy about something that is completely unrealistic go for it. Just don’t be surprised when it’s pointed out. Again… we played a terrible team. Someone had to win. To get upset about that while also getting upset about something that no other smart team would do let alone a dumb team… that’s a choice.
Unrealistic to hope for more than 50 yards passing, and even that only to a RB? You are setting the bar way too low, even for our offense.
Unrealistic to be mad at a team for not benching its QB with a lead or tied. No one is doing that. The run game worked, that was the pivot. That was a coaching decision that worked.
By looking at his horrible stats in College. How many QBs with these College stats went on to be FQBs dummy? Can't completely ignore these, I am concerned.
Not too many here like Fields, so let’s get past that, but please stop talking BS about lucking into this and that. Special teams played lights out, period. As many of the defensive players did. As did Hall. We are a QB away and some complimentary pieces to be good. Those are the facts. The team played super hard and no one is tanking. End of story. They earned the win against a team with a tough D that piled forty on the fish last week. Luck is a non sensical excuse. This team has pride and fight in them. IMO Fields will be replaced soon, today even after a dismal first half performance it wasn’t the right time. I would not be surprised if his starting role ends by next week.
I don't have any opinion on him. But QBs who have stats like him never became FQBs. Which is why I asked you to correct me if I am wrong.
It sounds like based on everything I am hearing, there are a couple of good prospects this year - Simpson and Mendoza. Maybe Moore if he declares, but some don't think he will. Really good all 22 on these guys from xfactor's Joe Blewitt: https://x.com/Joerb31. Maybe they are gone and we look into '27. But if not, and we think they are good, it would be nice to get one of them in '26. Who knows how many of the good ones will be in '27, and I do hope we will be competing for/making the play-offs in 2026, and the draft pick will be a lot worse in '27.
I would implore you to turn the games on Saturday (if you have time) and watch these QB’s. The twitter files are fun but there’s a lot more nuance to these games than replay video can capture. Crowd noise, situations in the game, etc.
I am doing just fine tonight and every time I come here. I will watch these guys live to be sure at some point when I can before it's all said and done and a lot of all 22 on top of it. Not that my QB evaluation record has been great lol. I did want Mahomes and Sam with our picks, but Zach and Fields were rough... To be fair though even most NFL GMs who evaluate right from the stadium also miss pretty much every time. And I am relying a lot on you guys to share the insight. With all that said, I think the point about poor stats not translating well into NFL is still valid at least from the perspective of understanding why we are talking about Sellers as the 1st round pick for the Jets with these stats at all.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Of course there is a lot of luck involved, and in some previous games, like Pitt, they were lucky, not us. Today we were. 2TDs on special teams is not just playing lights out, it's huge luck that went our way, and even on the broadcast they mentioned this exact scenario hasn't happened in many years. Unfortunately it happened when it does not really help us in any meaningful way from the longer term perspective, which is what I care about for this team. I wanted more than 50 passing yards, that's not unrealistic. Now that the season is effectively over and wins right now are not helping towards play-offs, to me they are secondary to seeing player development for next year. We can disagree on that.
I don’t think there’s a single person happy with our passing game today. Very logical to be pissed off by it. Not logical at all to say that the coaching staff did a bad job by not benching the starter when we had a lead and the run game was humming. Again… you wanted to see more from the coaches but you’re going to focus on the fact they didn’t finish the quarterback instead of the fact that they adjusted at halftime and came out with a strategy that worked? Come on.
I didn't say CS did a bad job for not benching Fields after we had the lead or at the half. My point was that the CS cannot be absolved for 10 point performance. You can't blame it all on Fields, and IF Fields sucks so much, give someone else a shot. Not when we have the lead at the half, but in general. You make it sound like Fields is averaging 42 yards a game, so what do you expect? First of all it is not true, but if it were true, and all is always on Fields like you say, then play someone else. The point is, CS on offense cannot be absolved here either way. 42 passing yards and 10 points is not good, period. And the strategy didn't work on offense, that's ridiculous. We got 10 points. Even at the end we could not run out the clock without two moronic penalties by the Browns. You set the bar too low. Going forward if we win I do want to see player and coaches development, which we can benefit from next season, and I did not see it on offense today. I do agree that defense did pretty well, considering we lost two very good players. AZ Thomas getting concussed by Sherwood was a bummer though.
There’s not a lot of analysis needed on Sellers to be honest. He’s underperformed this year to expectations. But South Carolina probably has one of the worst offensive rosters in the SEC. Their offensive line is a nightmare and their starters have all been missing games all year. They’re the 9th worst rushing offense in the country this year. Their numbers are down there with 0-9 UMass and 1-8 Charlotte. Schools people probably don’t even know are D1. When all is said and done SC will have played 6 teams that were ranked at the time of the game, 3 in the top 8 and Vanderbilt who was eventually ranked. If you’re taking Sellers, you’re closing your eyes, holding your nose and praying you can develop his unbelievable physical gifts at the next level. He’s 6’3” probably 240-250 with a rocket arm and legs the size of tree trunks. He’s built like Cam Newton with a better arm. I’m skeptical and understand the skepticism but damn it’s hard to find those athletic markers.
underperformed this year on expectations but the expectations were a little too high. He raised those expectations though because he was awesome at times last season. They dont have a running game correct and he had a new offensive coordinator this season. Sellers is everything South Carolina has on offense. He tries to do too much at times, and can be erratic, but he needs to be superman if they want to win so it's hard to reign in. A lot to work on, in the NFL he needs an experienced coach to teach him the short yardage passes are ok and to manage a game properly. Reminds me of Josh Allen who was awesome at times but with poor stats and had to be everything for Wyoming. Except in Sellers you are getting that, but you are also getting top level SEC experience and, perhaps even better, experience in pro style offenses which is becoming less and less common --- it could be a blessing that he's underperformed. Maybe he ends up going around where the Colts pick gets us. But even then, I'm not sure, he's going to be awesome at the combine and pro days.
OK, so I am not crazy when I question his performance based on poor stats! Still I hear your guys' points as far as watching these guys, and will do so to educate myself about the prospects. But even going based off of what you are saying, Sellers seems like a very high risk/high reward guy. Is that someone that Tanner and the former RB who is our QB Coach London can develop? Every underperforming guy with great physical tools gets compared to Allen, but Allen is one of one so far, and even he seemed to have had better numbers statistically. @BrowningNagle you said the same exact thing about Richardson, he also reminded you of Josh Allen: https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/dont-take-a-qb-in-2023.98367/page-3#post-4289034 . Just seems like Allen is a unicorn and beat major odds rather than a norm for underperforming players with great traits. Plus you gotta develop him, which with a guy like that sounds that you need real coaching skills to do. Btw, Allen's OC Daboll may be available to help with this: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1987939087215452631 lol Still I would prefer Sellers to do better before the end of the year where there is more confidence and then spend higher pick with lesser risk or even trade up. I prefer more certainty, I really don't want to do this again in 3-4 years. Though chances are we probably will anyway...
