Agreed The draft is definitely the best way to address it long term. And this is suppose to be a good draft for QB's. From a fans point of view though it's just hard to go back to the draft when the Jets have had such terrible success with it in recent years at that position. Like you said earlier, I have no problem drafting a QB early as long as we bring in a vet to play capable football for at least a year. Those guys are hard to find though. And asking Idzik to find us it least 2 new receivers, a starting caliber tight end, some lineman, a young QB to prep, and a capable vet QB all in one off season is asking a lot. We can't draft a QB without having any weapons for him, not if we want to play him right away. It's a recipe for failure
I'm not talking about trading up in the draft. I agree with you, that wouldn't be in our best interest. But if your trading for Cousins, your trading for him because you think he is going to be your guy going forward. And then that would be no different then using one of those picks to draft a QB anyway. I don't know what Hill's contract status is but he wouldnt cost anything of any real significance. You can trade a 5th or 6th round pick on him. Your not going to fill a ton of needs with those picks anyway. Sanchez is crap though. We know what he is at the end of the day. I don't care how much better he is then Geno. That doesn't prove anything. I understand what your saying. I just dont think Sanchez is the guy to go with.
How about a special teams guy in the late rounds. We always say offense, defense, and special teams wins game. I want this team to have a legitimate threat in the kick/punt return. Catching the ball and falling down does nothing for field position; then couple that with a methodical ball control offense and eventually they just can't string together enough offensive plays to turn field position in their favor. When the team had Leon Washington, he would shift field position in their favor. Any thoughts?
I would rather draft an early receiver who can also do kick/punt returns well. There isn't room in a modern NFL roster to just have a return guy anymore, unless he can contribute as a wide reciever or in another capacity. The changes to kick returning in the past 3-4 years have changed the need. I'd rather spend a really late pick on the best punter we can get. I'm not satisfied with the guy we have now.
Punt Return Yards Leaders - All Players KICKOFFS PUNTS RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FC 1 Dexter McCluster, WR KC 1 3 3.0 3 0 54 631 11.7 89 2 7 2 Golden Tate, WR SEA 3 57 19.0 24 0 39 467 12.0 71 0 8 3 Tandon Doss, WR BAL 0 0 0.0 0 0 23 359 15.6 82 1 7 4 Julian Edelman, WR NE 0 0 0.0 0 0 32 356 11.1 43 0 20 5 Tavon Austin, WR STL 18 398 22.1 32 0 33 280 8.5 98 1 11 6 Brandon Tate, WR CIN 27 701 26.0 71 0 29 274 9.4 43 0 13 7 Antonio Brown, WR PIT 1 16 16.0 16 0 25 269 10.8 50 0 22 8 Keshawn Martin, WR HOU 33 864 26.2 50 0 32 264 8.3 87 1 16 9 Ted Ginn, WR CAR 21 491 23.4 38 0 20 263 13.2 41 0 20 10 Travis Benjamin, WR CLE 3 146 48.7 86 0 22 257 11.7 79 1 7 Most of these guys are game changers at returner, while a couple are average at their primary position. Now, Josh Cribbs is leading in Kickoff yardages, but I believe he is injured but definitely aging.
Geez, man, the title here says "Offense". What are you some kind of one trick pony with your special teams hangup and (poorly formatted) chart? We saw it in the other place, we don't need it here. Get rid of it!
Good post. Lots of dead wood needs to go. Whoever the Jets QBs are in 2014, they will need better blocking from the OL, and better WRs and TEs who can actually practice, get open and then hold onto the ball when it is thrown to them.
If there are some good punters in the draft in 2014 (and I think there will be), then I agree the Jets should take one. Quigley's not getting it done. I've seen some excellent punters in college games who had strong legs and could kick directionally. Surely some of them must be of age and/or are entering the draft.
^ You only use a 7th round draft pick on a punter if you think he'll be your punter for the next 10 years. Otherwise you draft a positional football player. There's an umpteen number of punters on the unemployment line looking for work and FA's coming out of college. That's where you typically look. The Jets talent evaluators have to start doing a better job of assessing potential draftees and signees. This is a major reason why this roster is so devoid of talent. Terry Bradway being fired would be a terrific start. The fact that he's the director of college scouting could really hurt this team in the upcoming draft as it has in the past.
You make it sound like there only one way to do things and it just isn't so. You also make it sound like the reason the Jets have no talent is that they've continually been drafting punters and kickers in the 6th/7th rounds. Again, nonsense. There's no one way to do anything. Do you know how many 6th-7th round picks stick on an NFL roster? Not many. The better FA punters can cost a lot. Field position is too important to ignore getting the best punter you can. Taking a punter in the 6th or 7th round can be a lot more important for a team over some positional player who doesn't even make the roster and is only TC fodder. Even if they make the team, it may be only as a PSer or STer or someone who's never active for games. If they can get an excellent FA punter and still have plenty of cap space to sign other players that fit needs, great. If not, then they ought to draft one. In all likelihood, they're gonna have 11 or 12 draft picks and something like 2-3rd round picks, 2-4th round picks, 2-5th round picks and 3-7th round picks. They have enough picks that they can use one on a great punter.
The only nonsense is your reading comprehension ability, or lack thereof. It's called an opinion and that's what people post on message boards. If you don't like it then don't respond. However if you're going to try to interpret what I said then at least provide an accurate depiction of what I posted. I never said it was the only way of doing it. However I did say that using a valuable draft pick for a team with so many holes on a punter is not a wise move unless it's a 7th round pick, and even then it's risky. If you use a draft pick on a punter then you better make sure that this punter is going to be your guy for the foreseeable future. Otherwise you do not waste a draft pick on one. Furthermore then you go on to repeat exactly what I said which was to most likely go the FA route to get a punter. Which is how most punters end up on an NFL roster since it didn't seem like you knew that when your original message mentioned the possibility of drafting a punter. I'll ask you a better question. Do you know how many 6th-7th round punters stay on NFL rosters? Almost NONE. Because almost no team uses a draft pick on a punter. So stop acting like you have a clue when you really don't because punters are almost NEVER drafted and almost always come via FA.
That's a nice picture. Based on your hysterical overreaction to the slings and arrows of a professional sports franchise whose fortunes you have absolutely no influence over, I imagine it was the high point of your life when your third grade teacher praised you for that picture. Sheesh. I wish we could fire fans sometimes.
I didn't draw the picture foo! Glad to see you didn't get my point though. But cute to resort to personal attacks instead of attacking my argument that the Jets had no plan what-so-ever to rebuild this team
I agree, 100%. Especially given our likely 7th round compensatory picks, which will be the last of the last. A great punter > another Scotty McKnight
Jets have 9th ranked rushing offense,and 31st ranked pass attack.If that pass stat can move up to 15th we will be back in buissness next season
The thing to realize is that improving season over season in the NFL is not just a matter of upgrading the pieces that weren't good enough last year. In most cases you also have to upgrade the pieces that looked good enough last year but that will degrade as the new season unfolds. So the Jets moving target for next has to include questions like: 1. Can D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold play at a high level or will age and injuries drag them down? Both are playing below their standards already this year. All it will take is another minor deterioration and they're part of the problem instead of the solution. 2. Can Chris Ivory maintain his injury-free production for another year? 3. Jeremy Kerley was banged up all year this year after having two injury riddled camps in a row. Is this his new norm or was it just a bad year for injuries for him? 4. If the Jets make a multi-year commitment to Austin Howard at RT will he progress or decline? Howard has been one of the steadier linemen this year for the Jets but he hasn't demonstrated superior skills yet, just the ability to get his job done. What does his future look like? That's 4 questions about 5 players who appear to be part of the solution at this point but easily might be part of the problem next year if things go the wrong direction. The Jets have zero players on offense right now that you can pencil in as building blocks for the next 3 or 4 years. On defense they have several but the offensive cupboard is kind of bare.
