The Offense Has Regressed, Mark Sanchez Has Not.

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I would add Carson Palmer to that list. He had a very good game yesterday.
     
  2. RevisIsland18

    RevisIsland18 Well-Known Member

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    21 QBs who is Sanchez better then?

    Patriots - Brady - 23/10
    Bills - Fitzpatrick - 16/14
    Steelers - Ben - 16/9
    Ravens - Flacco - 12/8
    Chiefs - Cassel - 10/9
    Chargers - Rivers - 15/17
    Titans - Hasselbeck - 14/8
    Texans - Schaub - 15/6
    49ers - Smith - 13/4
    Rams - Bradford - 5/5
    Cardinals Kolb - 8/8
    Giants - Manning - 18/9
    cowboys - Romo - 19/7
    Eagles - Vick - 11/11
    Falcons - Ryan - 15/10
    Panthers - Newton - 12/14
    Bucs - Freeman - 11/15
    Saints - Brees - 23/11
    Packers - Rodgers - 31/4
    Lions - Stafford 25/10
    Bears - Cutler 13/7

    Sanchez - 14/10

    Purely by TDs, Mark's better than: flacco, cassel, smith, Bradford, kolb, vick, newton, freeman, cutler
    Purely by Ints, Mark’s better than: Fitzpatrick, Rivers, Vick, Ryan (tied), Newton, Freeman, Brees, Stafford (tied)

    He's not really behind 21 Qbs
     
  3. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    No, he's not behind 21 QB's. He's struggling because we can't run the ball, our OL has been bad and we don't have a deep threat to stretch the field. He still makes dumb mistakes, but he has improved this year. I'd still like to see the RZ mistakes to stop though.
     
  4. RevisIsland18

    RevisIsland18 Well-Known Member

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    agreed he's makes too many mistakes and has brain farts for being in the nfl for the 3rd year and being in the same scheme

    also like to point out some of these quarks could've been improved if there wasn't a lockout this year, again these are all assumptions, but having more time w/ kerley, plax, greene learning a bit more about pass blocking/assignments, i really think it would have helped
     
  5. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Agreed. But the offense as a whole is better in the RZ this year.


    Thank you Tom Moore
     
  6. fenwyr

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    Our OL has regressed, not our QB.
     
  7. papapump

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    Two of Sanchez's receivers, Holmes and Keller, worked with him during the off-season. These two receivers could have each scored a TD in the Denver game. On each throw location, and timing were the issue.

    Sanchez is not planting his feet when he throws. He looks like a deer in the headlights at other times. I believe that the OC has gotten him so crazy, to the point of getting rid of the ball before he is ready. Yes, the offensive line is suspect, Hunter is horrible, but he is guilty of some very bad decisions.

    In regards to Richard Todd, Lou Holtz would kill anyones confidence.
     
  8. RKO

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    Of course he hasn't regressed. We would have 1 win right now had he regressed. Did you guys watch him his rookie year? He was horrendous. Had he regressed this year and was playing worse then he was his first year, we would be in the "suck for Luck" sweepstakes.

    Has he improved? Sure. How much? Not that much. He still makes bone headed mistakes, has below average accuracy and is turnover prone. He is a mediocre QB. No longer a terrible rookie but a mediocre third year starter...
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    Bottom line is Sanchez has neither regressed or improved.

    Is he good enough right now for this team, even if he has not regressed? I don't think so, but I would consider a contrary argument.

    Is there a chance he will improve? Yes. But...

    Is it likely he will improve to the point where he is a top ten, consistently productive NFL Qb?

    I think that is less than likely, at this point, I am afraid to say.
     
  10. Greenday4537

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    The offensive line is what's preventing Sanchez from moving forward. If he is constantly either being sacked or hurried every single pass, how is he supposed to get better? Honestly, with the poor performance of our offensive line, I'm surprised Sanchez isn't dead.
     
  11. Big Blocker

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    Sanchez hardly has the worst OL in football. You Marky defenders overplay this hand. He sucks when he's under pressure, but most Qb's perform better under pressure.

    It's the same OL they finished the season with last year. Yeah, they are not playing as well, but don't overstate the difference.
     
  12. Jersey Joe 67

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    On one side I feel Schotty really doesn't play to Mark's strengths and give him a chance to succeed.
    I feel he should be rolled out of the pocket more giving him more time to find recievers and a clearer field of vision down field.
    I also feel there should have been more continuity on offense instead of giving him new recievers in each of his 3 years.

    On the other side of the coin I still see a QB who locks onto one reciever and has no pocket instincts.
    I still see him making the same mistakes as he was as a rookie and this is what worries me most.

    I'm not ready to throw the towel in on Sanchez yet but IMO he needs a better offensive coordinator and at least 2 years in a new system,including an upgrade on the offensive line, before i'm ready to push the panic button.
     
  13. Greenday4537

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    Well, our center got injured and while he was out, whoever stood in for him played terrible. Our RT is garbage. I'm not sure if you've been watching any games this season, but in the ones I've managed to watch, Sanchez is getting hit a lot and it's not because he holds onto the ball way too long.
     
  14. nyjunc

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    Just as his #s didn't show how good he was last year the #s this year don't show how much worse he has been. He has not been close to as good as last year despite better #s projections. I don't blame him solely, it has been the OL, running game, new WRs, lockout,... but he has not been as good as last year- not close.
     
  15. CurbYourEnthusiasm

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    He's absolutely improved over his first 2 years as a QB (do people here remember just how bad he was his rookie year?), I really don't see how that can be argued. Its been posted ad nauseam his numbers are up across the board despite inferior talent in all 3 phases on offense (OL, RB, WR). The problem is he hasn't improved ENOUGH for the majority of Jet fans to paint him as the QB of the future.

    I'm a Sanchez supporter, but at what point do we say to ourselves 'He's putting up avg/slightly below avg numbers, and is this most likely his ceiling?' I'm willing to give him one more year (hopefully with a new OC) because of how few games he started in college. I'm pretty sure he just went over the 60 game threshold for college and pro games combined.

    It annoys me though that Sanchez takes this beating in the media/nfl network/espn, etc. yet I hear SQUAT about Freeman, Bradford, and Flacco; three young QBs who are performing much worse than Sanchez this year.
     
  16. Nilton

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    Brady got smashed in the first half. Then they went to more protection and they scored. If our O-line gives him time we can see some results but some still falls on him.
     
  17. CurbYourEnthusiasm

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    Agreed with your list. I think he's better than Hasselbeck too but I can see arguments for either.
     
  18. Br4d

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    A QB's prime years, the years when he is as good as he's likely to be, are from 26 to 29 like just about every other athlete in every other sport.

    2013 is the year that Sanchez is likely going to begin producing at his established prime level and 2017 is when we'll have seen his best stuff.
     
  19. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    Good points. Hopinig this is correct, but what if he continues to play this way for the rest of the season, and next year? Tanny and company might feel pressured to get someone else at QB.
     
  20. Br4d

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    Replacing the QB generally costs the GM his job a year or two later. I think Tanny will do everything in his power not to replace Sanchez. I think he's not necessarily clued in to what are effective ways to promote Sanchez success however and so if we still have a sputtering Sanchez in a year and a half I expect that both Tanny and Sanchez will be near the end of their Jets tenure.
     

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