"if you dont feel like that, you should retire". Needles...just pricking the skin...enough to cause pain...not enough to hit the stop button. I could never understand why not one reporter just stood up and asked him "you mean...like...all the games? Like the Steeler game?...were you playing to win that one? Do you think that your team played to win the game in the opener against the Chiefs?...Im sorry Herm...of course you play to win the game..that wasnt the question..the question is how do you motivate your team to play out the string when you cant motivate or coach a team to play to win the games that do mean something. Sorry if you misunderstood the question." (yeah..I know those games were after the speech..but that just makes it worse..because we then knew...that teams do in fact play to win the game).
we were a huge underdog at a 15-1 Steeler team laying w/ a QB who had a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder. The fact that we were even close was a miracle and we lost that game b/c our K missed 2 makeable kicks. Taking the knee was dumb but throwing in that sitaution would have been dumb as well as our O did nothing all day and it was too risky to chance. Our K missed a 47 yarder mins earlier by a foot, it was reasonable to think he could hit a 43 yarder. You would think we were 2-14 everh year under herm the way some of you guys talk. we won alot of games under Herm and he is the ONLY HC in jets history to take us to 3 postseasons.
Is this your son, Jay? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XuWewL6mk0&mode=related&search= That's the greatest thing about sports. You play. To win. The game. Helloooooo???? You play................ to win............the game!
you still don't get it. whether Brien makes those kicks is irrelevent to whether Herm did everything he could to put the Jets in the best position to win the game. those are two entirely different matters. regardless of whether we were underdogs (which again is irrelevent, you play the game on the field, what people think of the teams before hand has absolutely no bearing on the toutcome), the fact is the team was in position to win the game, but Herm chose not to make that position better and instead settled for a position that he felt was good enough, and it wasn't (I know, this is identical to what I said in the Dennis Green thread -- and that is because the dynamics pf the situations are identical). it was Herm's job to put the team in the best position to win. given the opportunity to improve the field position and make the kick a higher percentage kick, he played it safe, felt where we were at was good enough and decided to kick it form there--and guess what, it wasn't good enough. Brien gets the blame for missing the kick, but that doesn't absolve Herm for not doing all he could to put the Jets in the best position to win, not merely a position that was good enough.
I don't think you get it, we were HUGE underdogs facing a 15-1 team on the road w/ a QB playing w/ a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder. It was an amazing coaching job just to have us in the game and the fact we should have won makes it even more amazing. it was good enough but our K choked. he missed by a foot on a 47 yardre, if he kicks it the same way we win but he hooked it. you and everyone else would have lambasted herm has we taken a sack or turned it over. Once again i think taking the knee was dumb but throwing in that situation w/ an injured QB and an O that did nothing all day would have been dumb too. the risk was too high, too many bad things could have happened. the bottom line is it was a makeable kick and it should have been made.
With that stadium, "makeable" is not the term I would use. I'd go with "difficult." Kicks from those distances at Heinz Field are very difficult. When you take into account it was a playoff game in January the kicks became even harder. I have all the boxscores for every NFL game played in Heinz Field. I could do the research. Alas, I don't want to. Just trust me, that is the hardest stadium to kick 40+ yard field goals.
he had just missed a 47 yarder by a foot, it was reasonable to think he could make a 43 yarder and a week later into the same EZ Vinatieri easily knocked in a 48 yarder.
Herm is a bad football coach...the sooner you accept this, the sooner all your base are belong to us.
I caught this little gem on a Chiefs board. Could it be that there was more masturmotibating going on in Pittsburgh than any of us imagined?
Well, I was at the game and there was absolutely no wind when Brien attempted either FG. I looked at the flags on the posts before both kicks. Statisticaly, going into the game you are right about it being hard to kick from over 40 in Heinz. However, exactly 7 days later NE and Pittsburgh kicked 3 40+ yard FGs in the first quarter, and that was a brutal day weatherwise. Our problem was that Brien couldn't REACH from 47. He kicked that one good, or as well as HE can kick one. It looked good off the foot standing in the stadium. We thought he had delivered us to the Championship game.
