When Aaron Rodgers is 6'2 225 and so is Mark Sanchez, yes, I am going to keep shitting on the OP for retarded nitpicking.
On the slow delivery issue I have three things that I think bear on it fairly effectively. 1. Sanchez throws a lot of picks that are of the "how could you possibly have thrown that ball?" variety. People also say that he stares down his receiver and gives defensive backs more opportunity to pick passes off. If Sanchez was spending a normal amount of time looking at his receiver but his trigger was .2 second slower (or whatever) that would explain a lot of both of those issues. The defensive back gets an extra .2 seconds at picking off the pass because the Sanchez look at his receiver and the throw are .2 seconds less connected than they would be with a faster release. The situation that Sanchez is throwing into is not the same when the ball arrives as at the moment he decided to let it go. It looks like he made an indefensible throw but it's quite possible that he instead made a good decision and then released the ball late and turned it into a bad one. 2. Sanchez consistently misses crossing patterns. This is not something that is unique to him at all but he clearly has timing issues on crossing patterns. He doesn't throw the ball into the ground on them often he usually throws it to the receivers back shoulder and misses that way. Again this would be a release issue more than an accuracy issue. If he's consistently hitting them on the back shoulder, and he really is doing that, then he's being accurate but slow in his release. If it was an accuracy issue the ball would be high as often as not and Sanchez has thrown very few interceptions on crossing routes. He doesn't put the ball into the secondary in the middle with a chance to get picked off. 3. Sanchez consistently throwing the ball behind his receiver on patterns coming out of the backfield. LaDainian Tomlinson has made some great shoetip catches behind him on those patterns and has caught the ball at his back hip also. He's also uncharacteristically bobbled a few thrown at him, always when they were low and behind him and he made the error of looking upfield for contact. This is a timing issue. It's a release issue. It causes the receiver to get the ball on his back hip or down low. It leads to the ball being thrown into the ground. Why? Because if the receiver was two steps behind where he was when the ball arrives it's a catch and if he's in front of it it hits the ground instead. Again if Sanchez was inaccurate he'd be spraying the ball all over the place and really he's not. Most of his incompletions on swing passes are behind the receiver or into the ground. I think those 3 pieces of evidence tend to suggest that Sanchez has minor release issues that are causing him to miss some completions and throw some interceptions that he otherwise would not have. I think that one of the things the Jets need to do to help out here is not get rid of his receivers every year. The guys Sanchez is throwing too are learning where his throws go. Having to teach a new set of receivers that every season is not productive.
I'm not trying to challenge you, but why doesn't Rodgers struggle with batted balls like Sanchez then? Is it a system issue, a timing issue, a technique issue, an OLine issue, and/or a question of him visually locking onto receivers? Is it even a flaw (i.e. does Rodgers have a lot of balls deflected too?)? One would think that extra inch of arm length would help Sanchez in this regard (joking). More broadly, why hasn't Sanchez grown into an upper echelon QB like Rodgers? What flaws are holding him back? I think that is what the OP is driving at, and I really don't have a definitive answer.
Lets see. In his first 2 seasons in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers had a QB rating of 39 and 42. He appeared in 5 games during those 2 years. He proved to be an excellent clipboard holder. In comparison to Sanchez' first 2 years, Rogers was a slacker. Maybe age and experience counts a tiny bit. Just a wild guess.
Our offensive system blows. All of Schottenheimer's pass plays seem to be based off of timing and without solid offensive line play, those plays are useless. I think timing is an issue with Sanchez and his receivers. This front office keeps playing musical chairs with the position. There's no stability at the wideout position. The offensive line has sucked so far this year. Like I said earlier, without solid offensive line play, timing routes are useless. Mark Sanchez does tend to lock on to receiver. Sometimes I wonder if Schottenheimer is telling him who to throw to before the play. This has nothing to do with what I was saying, but I'll answer it. Rodgers was able to sit and learn how to play this game. Sanchez wasn't. Rodgers was drafted in 2005 and didn't start a game until 2008. Rodgers has been with the same receivers for most of his career in Green Bay - Jennings, Driver, Jones, and Nelson. Two of his three years spent riding the pine and holding clipboard were under his current head coach Mike McCarthy. It just so happens that McCarthy calls the Packers' plays - so what does that tell us? It tells us that Rodgers has been in the same offensive scheme since 2006. He's had all of his main receivers except for Jermicheal Finley together since he took over the offense in 2008. It also tells me that the Green Bay Packers GM has surrounded his quarterback with youth, talent, and depth. The Packers are constantly drafting receivers, backs, and tight ends. If you're going to call someone a franchise quarterback, you should probably give him a little help. Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers have continuity. The New York Jets don't. That's the main fucking flaw, Br4dw4y. Continuity.
All he said was that he's not the size of a prototypical pocket passer. The fact that Rodgers is successful at 6'2" doesn't mean it's the ideal size teams are looking for. Like I said, I may disagree with the level of significance, but you can't argue he has 'ideal' size. Personally, when an admittedly negative poster comes up with that short, relatively insignificant list of flaws and states that he feels Sanchez will win one for us, I don't feel like ripping him a new one. He was trying to lend some perspective to the overly negative types. Maybe you could use some in the other direction. There seems to be this idea that Sanchez is either a top 10 QB this season or he should be cut. Br4dw4y's got it right. He's still struggling with flaws in his game, he's certainly not performing well right now, but his intangibles are through the roof and he hasn't just flashed potential, he's had meaningful success in some huge games. I have faith in who he'll become and where he'll take us, but I can also be realistic about where he is right now.
He's not that good. Among active QB's with more than 500 pass attempts, only Derek Anderson has been intercepted more than Sanchez. He hasn't really developed like we hoped he would. Far too many mistakes and stretches of poor play.
is there another active QB who started more games his first year in the league than he started in his entire college career (18 vs 16)? has there ever been one?? the reason he hasn't developed as quickly as some other guys is because they had a better foundation to build from. he came out too early and then he didn't even have the benefit of being able to hold the clipboard for one season. it's really not surprising that he's made more mistakes.
Good call JC. Me?...while I love Rogers--and who in their right mind wouldn't?--enough of this Sanchez-bashing crap. If y'all recall, while Sanchez might've been "starting-QB-shy" during his tenure at Southern California (i.e. starting only 14 games), the fact remains: the bigger the game, the bigger he performed--e.g. just ask the Buckeyes. That said, WHY would a post-Terry Bradway GM move up in the draft to grab him at #5? Well, while #6 might've been green (no pun intended) in terms of experience while directing a big-time D-1 offense, at the same time, the fact remained: the bigger the game, the bigger he came up and this when USC had moved from "student body left" (OJ, Marcus Allen et al..lead by former NYJ great Marvin Powell) to cultivating a more NFL-friendly Norm Chow type offensive mode of attack. Long story short: Sanchez...with essentially no NFL playoff experience....as an 8 point underdog on the road in SD...rolling out in clutch-time....waiting.....waiting and subtly directing the 2nd round Purdue TE Keller to 'reverse' his pattern so as to create a 'hole' in coverage....remember that "rookie" play? You can teach just so much. For starters, the kid's got good feet (whatever you think about his arm), but that play? Pretty heady 'kid' .... nice instincts. And that is why I'm convinced that should the Jets shore up their other issues, this kid is more then enough to win the big one...and will do so. Just ask Brian Billick. my 2 cents whatever..
When did I argue that Mark Sanchez had ideal size for a quarterback? I didn't. ... ... ... I used Aaron Rodgers as an example because he's a successful quarterback in this league and they have the exact same listed size. Drew Brees won a Super Bowl the year before Rodgers. He's 2 inches shorter and almost 20 pounds lighter than Sanchez and Rodgers. Kurt Warner and Donovan McNabb are 6'2. It's plenty tall enough to play the position. That was my argument. I never said he had ideal size, I just disagree that 6'2 is too short to play the position. You seem to think that I have unrealistic expectations for his play. I agree with most of your views about Sanchez. However, I do feel like I'm one of the only posters that sees the lack of offensive continuity as a huge problem here. The kid's had a mix-and-match group of wideouts every season that he's been a Jet. There's no chemistry. While I am one of the biggest Sanchez supporters on TGG, I've been criticizing his play and the offensive scheme since Week 2. Actually, I've been criticizing the scheme for years. My main problem with this offense, besides continuity, is the scheme and then the offensive line play. After that, it's on him. He's not getting much of a chance back there though. Hell, I compared Mark Sanchez to David Carr in multiple threads this week for these reasons: If this kid doesn't get some help, he'll fail. If his offensive linemen can't keep him upright, he'll struggle all season long. If Schottenheimer keep putting him unfavorable situations, the outcome will be negative most of the time.
judging him by stats you win, but thats very stupid to do. he keeps putting up 1-2 shit games every year that destroy his stats. half of that is his fault, and the other half is the line, or wrs see raven game last week. packer game last year. bills game 09- etc
Sanchez is in his third season where he has started every game and played extra games in the playoffs. His 16 starts in college shouldn't be an issue anymore. The rookie season mistakes were completely understandable because he was a rookie and he was ok last season, but he is still making those same mistakes he has made in the past. By the third season, Sanchez should be a far more efficient passer than he is.
Wasn't very good @Denver (2 picks) and Minnesota was pretty weak (44 attempts for 191 yards). Those weren't awful, but they were pretty bad. Sanchez is in the 18-22 range right now in terms of starting QB's IMO.
okay Minnesota was not a good game for him at all. he won the denver game with seconds to go. 2 picks, that sucks, but he won the game at the end.
