the John Idzik Thread. (All GM Discussion in Here)

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  1. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    I see the billboard thing as frustration and fun. I said earlier, you got to keep in mind idzik was paid allot, is still getting paid and he knows the deal. He's a life long human resources director on the league.. Lol He didn't go hungry when he was fired and it didn't influence woodsy decesions. John idzik was fired for utter incompetence. No other reason.
     
  2. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    This has nothing to do with Idzik, it has to do with showing the patience to establish a winner, regardless of what you are reading in the Post. That isn't to say Idzik was a guarantee, but a year and a half is way too early to pull the plug on anyone.

    You've already moved on to your next crusade to save the Knicks. You really think anybody believes you won't be burying Macagnan in a couple of years if the Jets still suck? You can't stop congratulating yourself on your first kill and you're already working on your second.
     
  3. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I'm not crying for the guy, believe me. But he was fired because Woody can't stand the bad pub, not for his incompetence.
     
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  4. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    I disagree, idzik was that bad... But I'm sure the fact the media hated this guy and there 3 stories a day about what a moron he was of course did not help any case he had.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    if the web was around through NFL history here are some of the websites firejohn would have opened:

    releasejohnunitas.com
    firebillparcells.com
    firebillbelichick.com
    firebillwalsh.com
    tradeterrybradshaw.com
    firechucknoll.com
    firejimmyjohnson.com
    firetomcoughlin.com
    firebillcowher.com
    firetomcoughlin.com(part II)
    tradeelimanning.com
     
  6. fireidzik_billboard

    fireidzik_billboard Active Member

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    look… Idzik works for the Jaguarss now.. THAT is a great fan base (by your definition).. they sit back quietly through the losing seasons. They do nothing about it and accept the incompetence from their front office. And now - they even employ your buddy!! Their name starts with a "J" and their nickname "Jags" sounds like "Jets" if you say it really fast… Why root for a team like the Jets that is "going nowhere" because it "listens to their idiot fan base" any longer? To steal a Dolan line, "Go root for the Jags!!!!"
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    fly a banner overhead to get rid if junc. it should work out.
     
  8. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    Working with the media is a part of his job. And that presser was an embarrassment. He'd of been better just shutting his face. Some stories you hear he wouldn't return phone calls a good way to make enemies with the New York press. As for his background he did have some personnel experience a lot more than Tannenbaum. And some of his moves were ok to good. But these morons wouldn't give him credit even if he drafted at 13 the best player in the 2013 draft which he did off of a good trade he was probably pushed to make. The under 2 years on the job is an unfair sample size to judge his incompetence.
     
  9. Walt White

    Walt White Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much guaranteed a majority with that one :p
     
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    Fortunately for all of us, the decision makers - the majority of the fans - the media AND pretty much every NFL analyst disagrees with you. But why listen to them? You are right and everyone else is a "moron".

    Seems legit.
     
  11. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    One year supposedly as a scout doesn't qualify... His resume was more bs than the ones I use to send out when I first got out of college , maybe that's what set me off initially. .i know how to spot a padded resume. Lol

    his incompetence was glaring, it wasn't just his awful media presence that got him fired... Look at the drafts, look at the free agent acquisition... What would make you want this guy here another year?
     
  12. pclfan

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    Name them.
     
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    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    First the guy was an ex-college player. His father was a former coach including being a coordinator with the Jets. And he had some scouting experience and was qualified to evaluate players. I'm not defending him. He didn't do a good job here but to blame him for a 4-12 and give him zero credit for good moves he did make is horseshit. The under two year scenario isn't enough time to fairly evaluate anyone.
     
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    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    Lol I don't mean this as harsh it may sound... are u serious? So what he played college football??? Where? Yes his dad was an oc in the nfl, what does that have to do with John idzik lack of ability to evaluate talent? He claims to have 1 year of scouting exp.

    yes, he has more qualifications than you or I to do that job, but in no way was he qualified to donit.

    I don't blame him for 4/12. He certainly helped ensure a loding season, but no he doesn't get all the blame..

    Good things- ivory, amaro, decker, Richardson... Now off the top of your head(as a semi supporter) how many awful things did he do? If I anwser will be here an hour.. Be honest and objective.... PLEASE do not say he cleared cap space... All he did was cut 4 players... No magic to it... The jes went from cap hell, to fine
     
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    Again probably 75% of Jets fans think Idzik did a bad job. I'm not one of them because he didn't have enough time to implement his plan. Clearing the cap space is no where as easy as you say it was. I'm assuming that like me you know nothing about NFL economics. I'm not talking about RotoWorld, etc I mean the real thing. Yeah what were the terrible things he did personnel wise. There were logical moves that didn't work out. Like with Patterson and Goodson. If you want to say Revis then I disagree. A really good trade that eventually got the Bucs GM and HC fired. All teams have similar moves that while good on paper don't work out. You say you don't blame him for the 4-12. Did you want to fire him one year ago, then.
     
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    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    That's the nature f the beast... If the deals don't work out there bad moves, that's the definition of an bad move...

    His college playing days at some d3 school I'm guessing doesn't qualify him, hs dads coaching experiance doesn't qualify him. As far as revis, I agreed with the trade.. But a seasoned gm would have signed him back and been a hero... The fact is, he just wasn't suited for the job.. Despite amateur opinions like ours, do you really think if professional perception was that he got hosed, he wouldn't have been givin an opportunity to meet with teams and discuss there gm vacancy? He will never be an nfl gm again, that's not the medias fault, rex Ryan fault, billboard etc.. He just not meant to do the job.
     
  17. PickSix

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    You really think Idzik was fired because Woody listened to a handful of fans? If so, this franchise is even more fucked.
     
  18. JStokes

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    Of course he didn't. These tools have an overly inflated opinion of themselves.

    Too funny.

    And I hated Idzik.

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  19. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    He just got hired. And look at Tanny. He was out of football until just recently. And Marc Dominic and the Bears GM etc etc etc. when you get fired its not easy to find similar employment esp as a GM. I think in the next year or two opinions might change on the job Idzik did. And don't forget he was stuck with a coach he didn't hire. Which usually doesn't work.
     
  20. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    He was stuck with a coach because he was unqualified and there was no shot in hell any other team was going to give him that kind of job. He had no choice. How many people turned down the job because of such...

    The nfl is a fickle business, ny even more than other places.. I doubt he'll ever get another chance close to the opportunity the jets gave him due to the sheer volume of bad moves, what is ironic though is he is case en point example of how vitals a qb is.. Had geno smith developed and looked like he had any future.. Idzik, despite all his bimbo moves. He is still here. I agreed with the geno pick at the time.. God me an idzik were so wrong lol
     

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