Now I watched the 74 yard Flacco pass yesterday, 74 yards without a spiral, and he was upset! that right there is a cannon. I have seen a few of his games and he throws the ball so hard that it hits his recievers in the hands and bounces right off sometimes. Absolutely rocket armed guy. I really like Flacco and like I said previously in the thread, if Chad is moved on or before draft day for a third or fourth round pick, I would love to take Flacco at the top of round 3. He is going to be at worst a capable backup, and if Chad is gone, that will be exactly what we need. I agree it will take him a year or two to learn an NFL offense. Coincidentally, that is how long Clemmens has to prove he can lead this team. If Clemens fails, Flacco is there to try and win, if Clemens succeeds, Flaco becomes a great back up guy for us. Then after a few years as a backup he will do what Jake Delhomme and Matt Schuab did. They will move on to another team and start, preferably I would want him to leave the way Schaub did, and give us back a decent draft choice. But getting a guy like Flacco is the right move in my eyes. going back to Chad even in a backup role is suicidal for this offense, so bring in Flacco to be that backup.
The more I'm thinking about this, the more I agree with you. We have so many pressing needs, QB just wasn't one of them for me. I guess I was content to have Chad remain here as backup, which it kind of looks like Tangini is considering as an option also, and work on all the other areas. BUT..... we could also bite the bullet in a move that would really rock our world if we could get a draft pick for Chad that would even equate to reasonable. In other words, you don't have to think of the compensation in terms of getting exactly what Flacco would cost. If you get a 4th Round for Chad and expend our 3rd Round for Flacco, the net cost was only the upcost from 4th to 3rd and we still have picks in the 1st, 2nd and two in the 4th instead of 1,2 3 and 4. The move would finally and totally unass us from this indecisive, torturous QB malaise we're in and finally at least give us a direction and two legitimate options. You keep Tui as the #3, so no additional expenditure there either. And now, all or most of your original draft picks are still intact for use on all the areas we need to continue working on. The whole thing hinges on what you could get for Chad though, which might not be a hell of a lot.
We were a dink and dunk under Clemens too. When your OL can't block a swarm of elderly people, let alone opposing defensive players, you're going to have quick, short passes.
Our 3rd is a pretty high pick. There's a rotation that goes on with our picks, where our #1 pick is 6th overall, but then in the 2nd round, we drop to like the 3rd pick in that round, then the 4th pick in the 3rd round, then the 5th pick in the 4th round and finally get back to the 6th pick in the 5th Round. A bit confusing, I know. But yeah, other teams will be eyeing Flacco too. I wonder what Chad would bring on the open market and is there anyone who's even interested? He still maintains he wants to be a starter somewhere, so let him go and compete elsewhere for that opportunity. It's time we started stretching the field.
I don't know how much chad would proffer up, but we have heard rumors of KC tossing around a 4th for him, Herm being his old coach and all. Chicago really needs a QB grossman is horrible, and he is the best QB on the team, and now he is walking. There is also the option that teams like Carolina or Baltimore or Atlanta or Minnesota could be interested. so there are options out there for moving Chad, we just have to find the right one. Also I think teams might be willing to spend a little more to get him, because the QB class is so weak. There really are only 2 guys in my eyes who have the real potential for franchise QB status, and neither of they are expected to be taken early on. My two choices are Joe Flacco Delaware, and Andre Woodson Kentucky, both have good size and mechanics, and I just think they will be the best guys from the crop. and since in theory there are 6 teams looking for a QB and only 2 potential franchise guys, meaning a trade for Chad who is a proven guy, could make him an attractive guy to trade for this offseason.
If we're going to move Chad, I'd like to see it done sooner rather than later. Get a pick from the highest bidder and move on. Tangini needs to make a decision on this, commit themselves to whatever happens in the near future regarding wins/losses while going through this QB transition and go into this draft agressively. It's a bold move that would change the face of the franchise. If done now, combined with some other bold moves on the offensive line, it's the end of the sputtering, dink and dunk, stall-at-all-the-wrong-times offense that we've been watching for the past 3+ years. It could fall flat on it's face and fail miserably. Clemens could stink up the field and without Chad as a backup, we spiral to another 4-12 season. Mangini loses the team... Thomas Jones, Chris Baker and Lavernues Coles join forces to bitch incessantly all season long as the fans look for Mangini's head on a stick. Or.... solidifying the O-line and turning over the team to Clemens completely and without reservation, he could take to the challenge and all around him be inspired... Jones, Leon, Baker, Cotchery, Coles, Smith, even Chansi Stuckey, one of his favorites in preseason, could come on strong should he return uninjured. The entire face of the offense would change, with Flacco in the wings waiting to learn and mature.
if we pick a qb, we are in another rebuilding stage. i think we build up the line, and really give kc a chance. if he does'nt improve after doing that, then we start looking to make a move
what about tui? does anyone think he's a viable backup? i know i'm gonna get killed, but i don't think he's that bad. i think if we trade chad, we can get something good in return, that can pay dividends to our teams future, or present for that matter. i don't mind tui as our bu
We are in a rebuilding stage now. There is nothing on either side of the ball for this team to give us any reason to believe we will be competing for a Championship this season.
There isn't a lot the Jets can do at this point to prevent the possibility of a 4-12 or 3-13 type season next year. As you say they need to move aggressively and plan for a much better outcome or they're going to cap the team at maybe 6 or 7 wins and still have the possibility of a regime-ending lousy season. The smart move would be to pass the trash, in the form of the aging vets who are declining at this point, recommit to a youth movement by signing a couple of the younger first tier free agents out there and then turning the draft into a 10 or 11 pick effort (assuming they can get a couple of picks for the aging players first) by trading down a couple of times and making for a competitive camp with a lot of real prospects in the mix. The Jets are at a moment in the franchises history where they really are caught between the past and the future and the present is a dimly lit alley. Hang around here too long and they're going to get mugged. Back up into the past and they'll just be back in the alley next year. They need to move forward at this point and decisively cut ties with a past that while we remember it sort of fondly really was not even close to first tier.
How can Chad give us one more good year, when he could NOT give us a good year this year? In terms of Flacco he is this years Cutler. If we could get him in the third I would welcome the competition but he will likely be a second or even first round selection. Clemens was not a failure. He was not great, but showed some skills on an offensive squad that was in shambles on the line and at receiver. If we can shore up those areas, I still think Kellen can develop into a franchise QB for us. He will never be the super high completion percentage QB like Chad, but he can definitely be more effective than Chad ever was overall.
We were rebuilding last year and took a step backwards because the Front office was under the misguided notion that 2006 team got to the playoffs got there by some reason other than a easy schedule. We drafted in 2007 like we were a player away and the team got burnt for their bad judgement. The fact of the matter is we have been rebuilding since 2005 and we lost a year because of 2006. No decent free agent who wants a ring will sign here because they want to go to a team that is on the cusp of winning. Who would want to come to this mess for anything other than Money. WHen the team is rebuilt into a young team on the rise like the Jags, Browns, Chargers or Saints then maybe we can get somebody. We will have to overpay for anybody we sign.
Around the league University of Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco continues to wow NFL scouts. He followed up his solid throwing performance at last month's scouting combine with another impressive workout yesterday at Delaware's Pro Day. "He threw the ball great," said an AFC scout who attended Flacco's early-morning on-campus workout. "He's done everything right in the offseason. Everything." Has his stock risen enough to get him into the first round? "I think so," the scout said. "Right now, there's a lot of teams that have him rated ahead of [Matt] Ryan." http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Note_to_Eagles_Sheppard_should_remain_with_the_flock.html
We need to get some more speed on offense (WR) and on defense (CB & Safety & LB). Build the team first, then worry about getting better ballet dancers. There is far too much romance on this forum with skill players, and not nearly enough concern about the big mean guys who make it possible for their skills to be deployed.
