I think more is expected of this franchise. Look at the fan turnout at home games. I don't think fans, at least I know myself and others who are there weekly, are happy about this current product.
Part of me thinks that this narrative would be completely different, if the Jets didn't shit the bed in week 17 in 2015. If that happened, we might be talking about Bowles with 1 or 2 playoff wins, instead of the 7 year streak of no playoffs. That still urks me to this day.
I get what you're saying but if you got a bad hired I don't see how carrying on further is the answer. Bowels can't even adjust in a game expecting him to adjust and get better in coaching is a joke. You change your coaches until you find the one who can run your entire football team not just one part of it. GM's can come and go they're brain dead anyway but you cannot constantly have incompetence at the head coach level. Worst keep trying to justify it by saying some one like Landry had losing season too. Well, the NFL was a much different place when Landry was a head coach. Also speaking of Landry he was a stellar assistant coach for the New York Giant just like Vince Lombardi. So please stop with the Bowles and Landry comparisons. Its embarrassing.
Read peaches and cream article by Mehta today on News online edition...guy has gumption to imply Bowles "would have to think about returning to Jets for 2 year extension " because of immense respect among Coaches ...OMG No one should read the News going forward...replace TB replace Mac replace Manish Mehta and do us all a favor Great article by Gary Myers how Darnold and Rosen could be New Yorkers
I'm not advocating keeping Bowles. Read the post. I'm advocating keeping some coach around for longer than a few years. Rex was a clown--keeping him didn't help. Bowles has issues and isn't showing a whole lot of capacity to improve himself, keeping him may not help either. At the same time, I look around at the possible Head Coach candidates, and I find it hard to get real excited about them, either. Head Coach of the New York Jets is desirable because it's one of only 32 NFL Head Coaching jobs. But where does it rank on that list? Best one out there? No. Top 5? No. Top 10? No. Top Half of the league? Probably not. To my thinking, I see maybe 8 prospective HC candidates out there that a team could take a chance on. Maybe 3 them would be willing to look at the Jets, but probably not the top three. Yet the argument is always that we shouldn't settle for less than a top 5 head coach. I get it, but a top 5 coach has options, and they're not going to pick the Jets. I'm a life-long Jets fan, and if I were offered the opportunity to be an NFL head coach, I don't know that the Jets would be my first pick. The Jets are a long way from being a GOOD franchise, but if it were at least a STABLE franchise, that would make it a more desirable place for potential coaches, and free agents, too. At the very least, if we're going to take the time to train these shit coaches, we might as well keep them around long enough for the lessons learned to pay off.
He'd have to be top of the totem pole to avoid conflicts. They'd have to feel this one out because the guy they bring in needs to be THE guy in the organization for the next 10 years. Does a 54 year old working on his third high profile job in the last 5 years fit that mold?
Ok first off I read both articles and both mentioning keeping crappy coaches in both of them. I'm against that and everyone on this board should be too. Bowles is a crappy coach and needs to go. The Jets head coaching job is still desirable and that is one reason I liked Rex he wanted to be here, actually loved being a Jets coach. He had ties to the Jets from his Father being a Jets coach on the SB III team. Unlike Holtz, Groh, Bellichek, Edward who all wanted out of here. If a coach can get the Jets to a SB and a win they are the toast of the town. Couldn't pay for a meal or drink in New York for decades. So yes I will always believe someone would want this job. I would keep a competent coach that showed promise a little longer than a lousy one. That is another reason Bowels has to go. If his team was playing hard and smart that would be something to wait out. But he coaches scare and stupid and that will never get better.
Now this sounds like a post of a long time Jets fan. And sadly understandable. I want to succeed and win though. Have to believe it will happen one day soon.
I think you have it totally backwards, the opposite of your bolded sentence is true...the Jets need to hire someone OVER 50, who HAS won (either as a GM, HC or as FO VP, and will have a clue how to build a winner. Just because someone one before as a GM or as a HC doesn't mean that they wouldn't want to win as a team President.What would qualify someone who has never won to know how to build a winner? Under 50 is too young. To command the proper respect, he needs to be over 50 and have lots of experience in the league, and that would also make him older than most any GM or HC. You can't have the President of the team the same age or younger than the HC and/or GM. That rarely would work. You could wind up with a HC or GM that's older than the President. We aren't talking about a GM here. We are talking about a Team President to run the entire football operation. Woody and Chris would totally step back from day-to-day operations and decision making. He would hire the GM and allow the GM to hire the HC. All team officials would report to him, and he solely would report to the Johnsons. The ideal candidate would have primarily been an administrator in the NFL, with experience in most every facet of running a team, especially scouting and personnel. Coaching experience would be a plus. He would understand football however, and the discipline, organization, hard work, and talent it takes to win. He would understand that the Jets need to build primarily through the draft in order to achieve sustainable success. He would understand that the Jets would need to have a Scouting and Personnel Dept. second to none. He would understand Jets' history and where they have failed repeatedly and why. He would understand that the Jets need to focus on getting a FQB and trying to win with offense, not defense. He would understand where the game's going, and understand what it takes to win in today's NFL. He would be the "big picture" guy, and would establish the vision and culture for the team. In short, he would set the tone and standard. He would leave the details of the GM and HC jobs to them, but would know enough to know if each is doing his job properly, is bringing in talent, is developing the talent, is creating the vision and culture that he identified, and producing winning teams. Neither DeCosta nor McDaniels have even been GMs, much less have experience in running football operations. How in the world would they be qualified to over see the entire football operation? Neither has been particularly successful. DeCosta is highly regarded in league circles, but the Ravens haven't done much recently, and I have to think that he has a sizable amount of input into the draft for him to still be there. McDaniels was a pretty bad HC, lasting only one season, and lasted less than a season with the Rams as their OC. He would probably be THE. last. person. I would ever consider for the position. In addition, he has been with the Patriots as OC for all 5 of their SB victories. If anyone is maxed out on winning, it's him, and I'm not sure that he contributed that much to any of those victories. Doesn't Brady call his own plays and run the offense? If so, what exactly does McDaniel bring to the table?
That's an awful lot of coaches who wanted out of here to still call this job desirable! If you could pick between 4 or 5 different NFL owners to work for, would you pick Woody Johnson over the others? I feel the pain! I don't want a crappy coach, either! In no scenario would I select to keep a crappy coach over a guy with a ton of promise just to maintain stability. Unfortunately, I don't know that that's the reality of the Jets' situation. All I'm saying is that I'd prefer to stick with ONE mediocre coach for the next 9 years than go through THREE mediocre coaches in the next 9 years.
Wow!!!!!! Then they should move the Jets somewhere else because no way would a New York stand for that. You can get away with that in Kansas City or San Diego but New York fans are a little more engaged and smarter. At least I like to think so. That scenario is one I want no part of.
As things are presently constituted with the Jets, I totally agree. Why would any HC candidate worth his salt want to work for dumbass like Woody? He knows that Woody is going to capriciously and foolishly make decisions that will make him look bad and keep him from being ultimately successful with the Jets. Most HCs don't get that many more chances to be HCs, especially after they've coached the Jets. Why waste one of your chances with the Jets? I do think that things could be totally different if Woody and Chris hired a respected, long time NFL Exec to be Team President, stepped back and let him call the shots. Then the prospective HC would know that he had a real shot to win here, would be supported by someone capable, experienced and successful. He would also know that NYC and Jets fans are starving for a winner, and if he then won here, he could write his own ticket. With possibly 8 or more HCs jobs open this offseason, it does indeed look bleak for the Jets to get a topflight candidate to replace Bowles, but we know how bad Bowles is. There could always be someone worse, but there also could be someone a lot better. Even if he wasn't the answer, but was an offensive-minded HC and could get the Jets headed in that direction, and get their young QB developing, that would be a big plus. I saw a list today in my father's newspaper of the top HC prospects to replace those candidates and I think most (close to 2/3s) were DCs with the rest being OCs and 1 STs coordinator. Maybe the "top" candidates will all be DCs, and the Jets can hire the top OC candidate. All the prospective HC candidates were NFL Coordinators, then it mentioned Saban and one other college coach whose name escapes me at the moment. I just tried to find that article in the online version of that paper and have tried several different google searches and can come up with nothing. I'll be able to get that paper tomorrow, and will post the article. I don't remember if it was done locally, was carried from another newspaper or the Associate Press or what. It was an excellent article, probably the best I've ever seen on prospective coaching changes in the NFL.
While I think Harbaugh would just kill it here, I also think Bill O'Brien, as the football czar, the young guy with a ravenous drive to succeed fits as well. And what do ya know- rumors say he's looking for greener pastures
I would pick Woody over Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder and the Spanos. The ideal owners are Lamar Hunt, Paul Allen and the town of Green Bay who owns the team.
Woody pretty much stays out of it till it goes south. You really can't find a owner more disconnected from the team and he opens up his wallet just as well as any in the NFL. The only hiccup was the Bellichek fiasco but that was more with tampering from Bob Kraft. But with him running off to play Ambassador he needs to sell the team now. If he can't be bothered to run his team then sell it to someone who would.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...achgm-pairings-five-big-questions-for-week-14 This was a pretty good listing.
My prediction at the beginning of this year was 3-13. They will likely go 5-11, but lets say they would go 6-10 if McCown wasnt injured (and thats being generous) so they surprised a bit there. How does that make me feel about Bowles? Mixed. What I liked: team had some chemistry (though they did in 2015 as well), offense was functional and had good games, real growth at the receiver position and ASJ looks like a decent tight end. Safeties and some of the linebackers look promising, and special teams were solid. What I didn't like: Bowles making the same errors; early timeouts, giving up on offense, bad playcalling,etc. The defense in general still not looking like an elite unit despite being more talented, not being able to control Mo's attitude, not grooming any future QBs despite having two on the roster, not seeing any growth from the offensive line. Bottom Line: Bowles came in here as a highly touted defensive mind, but our defense has been worse than Rex's teams. Although the offense has been turned around what are they gonna do at QB next year? Lastly, the media and fans will not have these low expectations next year so I believe Bowles will have to win 8-10 games depending on the quality of next years roster or people will call for his head.
