Ok..im not really sure why Thomas Jones is not that good, he put up really good numbers this year for our offense. And we need wide receivers, because even with a good offensive line like ours, unless you have wide receivers that scare defenses, defenses are going to be able to stop our running game. Even though we want to run heavy, doesn't mean that the wide receivers can be average, and the running back has to be amazing. If we have some guys that can stretch the field, and make big plays down the field, it will cause defenses to play a little bit more conservatively and give us some extra room to make it happen in the running game.
listen man, there are good backs in the afc, but last season they did not perform as well as they could, nfc running backs were dominant, afc backs were lacking last season, sorry if thats how I see it, I aint callin you dumb
Where are the points coming from on offense? A simple question that hasn't been answered yet especially if our offense consistently sees 8 man fronts without a credible offensive threat.
Oh you didn't hear? Brett Ratliff is going to turn into Joe Montana. All he needed was a little success against a bunch of practice squad guys. Kellen Clemens will suddenly not look like a mentally challenged person in the shiney item isle in the market, because there's a line to protect him. Once teams see Kellen behind center they're only going to rush 3 guys so they don't get burned by his rocket launcher. People want to see what we have on staff, even though we've already seen a good portion of it. Seen a good portion of it fail, that is. Nevermind even trying for Cutler if he's available or Holt...cutler is just a whiner and Holt is ready for the Smithsonian. They'd rather we score 13-16 points a game and hope our D is as good as the Raven D. But on the bright side we picked up a couple of role players that should fit in nicely and make tackles when we punt 6 to 8 times a game. Here's the best part, Stucky, Clowney and Cotchery will suddenly become the monster receiving threats that they were holding out on showing us last year. Last but not least, gold coins are going to fall from the sky and there will no longer be a class gap in the world. All starving children will be eating swordfish, and every human being will join hands across the planet and sing Give Peace a Chance. I feel myself welling up with tears of hope and joy.
your absolutely right, I should of realized this man, lets cut the entire offense, we'll just draft our guys cause Joe Flaccos and Matt Ryans come all the time, its so overwhelming, thats why every team that drafts a qb each year has a pro bowler, only three spots though, the pro bowl is a popularity contest anyway. Oh man wait cothery and Stuckey and clowney suck man, we shouldnt even give them a chance, just cut them and let Keller and washington be our two wr's, and we can sign harrison and holt and we will have the most dominant recieving corp in the league, and yeah there we go. We draft sanchez, because he has more experiance then clemens, or even better is aaron brookes available, with him at the helm, throwing to harrison and holt we are superbowl bound man, hell yeah you've opened my eyes. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: wait wait, one more thing, I dont mind going for a vet WR, but, BUT how do you propose we get ourhands on cutler??????? please tell me your master plan for getting cutler? If I thought it were possible, I would love to have him, unless McDaniels is a retard, or completely wants nothing to do with him, maybe the jets have shot, detriot is offering their number 1 for him and denver wont take it, so uhhh, where would the logic be in me even suggesting cutler?
I love Tom Jones, and would rather have him at this point than Ricky, but I can't see more than 1 good year left in the back. You think he'll be effective at 33? 34? Yipes.
There's only one thing worse than people that don't get a point, and that's people that laugh at their own jokes, which is only trumped by people laughing at their own jokes when they're only funny in their own head and also, people that laugh at their own jokes which aren't funny, and have an avatar that only adds to the effect of that person being the only one to find their joke funny and laughing at it. The odds are stacked.
good counter arguement buddy! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hHAHAHAHAH, just picture that avatar telling you this no master plan for cutler?? I thought so.
See, the bolded text from the original quote has a couple of words in it, that you conveniently missed. Never once did I say we were going to have the absolute possiblity of getting him, since it largely relies upon an ugly divorce, and would command hefty compensation, in which we may be able to compete with the market or may not, depending on that price. There's nothing more obvious than that. And what you totally failed to comprehend is the fact that the point is why not make your team better? It's been 40 years, and you're trying to sell tickets by having a product that's entertaining. How many more "let's see how these guys do" years do you feel like sitting through? Did You sit through Browning Nagle? Some of us have. Cotch made some really special plays last year, but they were few and far between. People can blame Favre all they want, and for the later part of the season its a plausible argument, but its not like they were great out there. Kellen Clemens you will never sell me on. Ever. Ratliff is going to have to do more than throw a few nice balls against your local insurance dealer [Note: this is exaggerated humor so put your silly pills away] How many times do teams win every damn preseason game and end up with 6 wins? 5 wins? Point being, looking like shit and missing the playoffs. Hell, how many times does a first year guy tear it up and then he's sent packing from team to team as a career backup? Holt is also an "if". Again the point of the post is why not, if you can? Another plausible reason for opposing Ds to stay honest. Leon Washington "could" be something special but of all the people that are being mentioned around here in the context of "not being given a true shot" he would be the foremost candidate. So I ask you, giggles, why the F not?
Thats more like it my man, I think we're really starting to bond, anyway, Cutler seems really far fetched to me so I neglected to mention it, ok you dont like Clemens fine, but if we want to be run heavy I dont think Clemens is completely incapable of make 20 solid pass attempts, LW is already proven even if he had limited play, he's a probowl returner, he can run the ball and he can catch, He is fantastic, dude everything your saying is right and everything I'm saying isn't wrong, but our options are limited, I just really want us to grab a really good DE with our first pick if its there, I WR would be great I just think the DE is more important, I would like both, maybe we get lucky and get a steal on either one in the second I would love it. Anyway this is my take on it, I'm trying to say this is the best thing to do, because I'm not a head coach or GM and non of us are, we'll see what will happen. I dont take silly pills wtf? I smoke weed:metal::metal::metal:
It's all good dude. Really. Ya know, I'm not sure I'm buying into Thomas Jones being able to pound the ball as much as they're planning to, without having any passing threat. I think that's my whole problem with this big D plan. We might be all set on D. Our pass rush might even be better this year with most of last year's players, just because Mangini and Sutton were too afraid to get burned through the air, or whatever their hang up was. I guess I'd like to see more balance and, man, I don't think it's there right now. Like you say, I could be totally wrong, and I hope I am. Kellen got his ass handed to him when he was starting for Chad and I'm not convinced he's recovered or gained any insight/confidence. Now pass some of the mad ass doobage over this way, yo. :up:
I kinda wanted to get Derrick Ward, but I figured since no one talked about it, I would get shit on, so I didn't bother. Now thinking about it, we should of, but then again Ward left the Giants he'd want to be a feature back and not trade Jacobs and Bradshaw for Jones and Washington
I'm not going to reply to most of your post because most of it is non sense. and unlike you i actually have a legit argument. You failed to reply to most of my posts as well as put up a decent argument about our running game. your "amazingness", really? your idiocracy is what is infuriating. you post bs and laugh at your own shit. So, basically you are against signing a vet wide receiver because they might get injured, is that correct? Yet, we have cotchery, stuckey and clowney who are all injury prone and they are young. hmmm.... Any player you draft is un proven in the nfl you fool. They are rookies. jesus christ do you think before you write shit or are you just high? It does not matter what position we draft or what pick we draft them with, it will be a risk. We get a game breaker like leon with the pick we got for herm leaving and we give up what? 2 picks? to move up and get a player like d rob. tom brady was drafted in what round? then you have leaf. Does not matter the team, the position or the pick, the draft is basically a crap shoot. so don't post crap like drafting a defensive player in the first will help us more than drafting an offensive player. Lastly, I doubt you've been any where near the middle east, there is no peace there.
haha, kind funny that going for ward would have been the most logical thing i would have seen you post and you didn't post it until now.
Well shit, look at the guy giving me hell about me not liking Jones coming out and saying Ward is logical, does that mean you have some doubts? hmmmmmmmmmm interesting, by the way my friend you're right there wont be peace in the middle east, ever, I wasn't stating peace, I was calling for it. Anyway, I never said I was against signing a vet WR, and yes guys like Holt and Harrison would have some health risks. Your right about the whole drafting a defensive player rather then an offensive player comes with the same risk, so technically your saying neither of our opinions are wrong, I'd rather a good DE prospect and you'd rather have a WR prospect, fine I can respect that. The best part is that you just went off on me about the draft being risky, basically calling me stupid for it, kinda like "ohhh well obviously the draft is a risk wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah" thats basically what it was, alot of crying. Your telling me your not going to reply to my posts but that's fine, I'd rather not deal with your baby BS, and yes sometimes I am high, either way I made you look like an ass and you're obviously "infuriated", because instead of letting it go, your attacking me again and again with no valid argument to back up what you were saying before, kinda like the media taking things out of context to try to make me look like an idiot, but its not working well for you. I really don't get you, you seem pissed and trying to just piss me off which isn't going to work. Basically you getting pissed makes me happy like ol' Rivers over to your left there. If I offended you I'm sorry but I'm tired of repeating myself over and over, this is my opinion get used to it and give up. Next time give me some decent counter argument rather then telling me about how the draft is a risk which is what I already know and have repeated non stop in this thread, your reply was ridiculous and just made me look more amazing!!!!!!! :metal::metal::metal: goodnight...again!! P.S. please keep your word and dont reply to me again, unless of course you have a legit argument, because if you think you did, well I don't know what to tell you. :wink::wink:
Wow, i actually feel bad now. It seems you may be mildly retarded. I'm not mad I just dislike stupid people. You say drafting an offensive player with the first is too much of a risk, my rebuttle is the draft is a crap shoot and any position you draft with the first will be a risk. Your reply to that is "wah wah wah"? haha. No, i do not have doubts about jones this coming season. However, if we are going to be a run first team it would not hurt to have 3 solid backs now would it? You still have failed to put up a legit argument as to how thomas jones sucked last year. (because you can't, because he didn't suck) You never Put up an argument as to why we should not worry about our offense with the receivers and qb we have now. (again because you can't) I'm sure there is more but i do not feel like re reading every post. I am sure you will reply with some type of garbage that has nothing to do with what's being debated and will continue to praise yourself, I guess it some how makes you feel significant in some way in your own little mind. you didn't make me look like an ass, you should re read some of your posts. I'm sure though that's your defense mechinism to try and deny the obvious. I'm done with you unless you have something logical to post, enjoy.
I already gave you my arguments, you're just going to keep telling me I'm an idiot, anyway three solid backs would of been good, but I don't think Ward would of come to us after we dumped him before and to do exactly what he was doing with the Giants and not get the money he could get else where. The draft is a crap shoot like you said, but with a coach like Ryan I think if there is a good DL prospect, he'd have a better chance, but I think they're going to go wide receiver anyway. So I had a feeling, you're post was still not going to bring anything to the table, yet again. I have faith in our current offense and you do not, so sorry to disappoint you my friend, by the way I told you stats can be deceiving, but you just turned around and said that what I said is bullshit and I guess misleading stats only happen with QB, especially with our 7th most sacks in the league and our defense having a horrible pass rush last season. Ok I told you Jones was inconsistent, and against strong Defenses, he was shut down, not because the Oline was manhandled but because he can't break through like he used to, and they never ran him anywhere but up the middle. He's not the same TJ from the bears who was like a Curtis Martin type back, not especially fast or strong, just broke tackles like it was his job, which he doesn't do anymore, Jones was more a product of the Oline, I love Jones, but he is old! and getting older. Lets forget all this negativity between us, ready , It doesn't make a difference what we draft because it will still be the same, Clemens/Ratliff will start at QB, Our current WR's will be the #1,2,3,4, and LW wont get many more touches because of his importance to the ST and in the passing game. I think you also said something about the punting unit, which I agree with, we need to get a fucking punter, and we haven't and it will kill our ability to control the game and field position. I'm not saying we shouldn't try and get someone to fill these question marks on our team, but they haven't been doing anything or have shown any interest in getting someone, I'd rather get a DL in the draft because I think it would be a better choice to get some young blood in the DL, which we dont have. Honestly I think they are going WR anyway so I wont argue this anymore, ok I extended the olive branch, now tell me what you think about my non logical, Idiotic bullshit. So that being said, I'm comfortable with that, thats how I feel. Ok, I didn't insult you this time, so if your just going to post back how I'm stupid then whatever man.
Actually at first I didn't mind a dline man with the 17th pick if there was one worth taking, but since we just signed a dt and a de I think the pick will be offense. I actually think lw will be used more in the running game and probably taken off punt return duty. I believe leonhard can fill that role. Our young offense has potential to be good, however it also has the potential to be a disaster. And that's what concerns a lot of fans is that we have an unproven qb as well as unproven wrs (except for cotchery). I like olives.
