Wonder if fatty Vlad the Impalor Ducasse will do better in the 'straight ahead power running game'. Funny if Vlad becomes our best o-lineman next season!!!!
In the words of Archie and Edith Bunker, "Those were the days......" Jets fullback Tony Richardson (#49) cuts through a hole opened by the left side of the offensive line: (l to r): D'Brickashaw Ferguson (#60), Damien Woody (#67), Alan Faneca (#66), and center Nick Mangold (#74) earlier this season.
great article...thanks for posting. i had no idea about the mutant offense...no wonder it sucked balls. i hope sparano can run Erhardt-Perkins playbook well
Great Read! Thank you Fozzi for perhaps the best article I've read since the season ended about our Jets in total. And now for our next trick, finding a 'Dozer of a RB to truly run the GnP and make Sanchez viable as a QB this season. Greene I just don't think will be able to endure the punishment. This might just force a change in our draft strategy.
Great Post Fozzi. It's a sin that some random guy can write a interesting blog post like this, yet the newspapers and ESPN shit out the same generic sports reporting day after day.
Something like this, while enlightening to the cross section of true football lovers out there, would generate few hits because of the sheer volume of casual and ignorant football fans. Writing an open letter to Jets fans to pour salt into their wounds over the current Super Bowl matchup is the kind of thing that gets large amounts of people reading. Unfortunately. Love the article, by the way, I'm going to be doing a lot of reading on this stuff in the near future. Thanks, fozzi. It's odd, I have learned more about pro football schemes from Bronco websites than anywhere else on the www.
As much as I liked to shit on shotty this season, I really liked our offense in 2009 when we were just running over people, and in 2010 with braylon/holmes and cotch. It was probably more personnel than anything else, but they were enjoyable to watch. So the system change probably rules out all the Peyton Manning talk right? Manning was in a Coryell system, and he won't want to change. Also, does anyone know just how different is what Belicheck is running in NE from everyone else? Every so often they get a FA wide receiver who is too retarded to understand the playbook. wtf is that.
The article on this thread and your post really sum it all up, BS is still clueless and it will show up with the Rams, I don't how we continue to make excuses for this sorry excuse of an OC. He should have seen what rex wanted and said fine I will do what you want instead he continued to limit SG to 15 carries a game and never spread the field vertically. The only person I see here who should be in our crosshairs (figuratively speaking) is MT.
You're right abyzmul, but I do wonder sometimes if the poor reporting just keeps casual fans in the dark. Also it's sort of a disservice to people who enjoy this kind of writing that somewhere like ESPN or the NFL network doesn't have stuff like this. It seems like the best you can get is the coaches show.
I'm thinking about our OL in relation to the EP system, now that I have a better handle on it. I'm thinking Moore's replacement should be brought in and groomed. This could be Ducasse. This will be his first year with a true-full offseason. This is pretty much make or break for him. If he succeeds, he's Moore's replacement. Although I am hoping the FO is smart enough to pick up another OL in the draft to be his replacement anyway. Slaw is young and still has massive talent/potential. He may be a product of Callahan, but he's still a good player. He had an up year in 2011 - considering all things. Less penalties than last year, and Brick was not having a great year. I remember seeing Slaw come off his blocks to help Brick and Slaw's guy comes through for pressure or a sack. He's assisting Brick and that shouldn't count against him. Big Orange cone is going to compete for his job or be outright replaced. Not worried about Brick and Nick but I think Turner needs to come back. Obviously some new blood is needed as well from a backup perspective. The OLine is good I just think they had a down year. I think these guys are great for run blocking. A change of scheme will definitely help. If Slaw & Moore can improve the pass blocking technique, it will most certainly help. Same goes for Hunter's replacement. We need another Hartsock with decent hands and Keller has to get his blocking abilities up. He's already a good pass catching TE.
ty for posting up such a great article. It's hard to believe that Mangini created a disaster like this and it could last so many seasons after he's been fired. The behind the scenes drama behind this is interesting. So Schotty & Rex were both forced to deal with a mashup they didn't create.
How do you know it was Mangini's brainchild? Three years after he left Schott was still using it. It's most likely Schottenheimer's idea.
I think your right about Gibbs. He was known for the zone counter runs and his passing game was derived from the Coryell system. There are mutant systems all over the NFL so I don't think that was the issue at all. Most coaches throw in little wrinkles from new systems they see or systems they have come across in the past. I think you just have to be careful you don't get too complicated to where you aren't good at anything which I think Schotty fell into a little during his time here. And if you want to see hybrids just look at our defense. We run the 3-4 but we also get in a lot of 4-3 and since we upset the patriots last year with a lot of a 3-3-5 and 4-2-5 fronts we have done that to slow down the elite passing teams.
They definitely have their own version of it. I'm sure there are dozens of branches of the E-P system. In 07, the Fags ran a lot of spread formations and torched the league. Eventually the NFL caught up to it and they refined themselves again. I think Belichick's time as a HC has made him every bit as good on the offensive side of the ball as he is on the defense. His adaptations and adjustments are remarkable.
"To perk up the rushing offense, Mangini then brought in Callahan to install a west coast zone-blocking run scheme". I'm just going with the written article. From the wording, I'm interpreting Mangini as the one who put this mix of philosophies together.
Not trying to stir the pot or anything, Im just pretty certain any decision to bring in Callahan would have been made by both Mangini and Schottenheimer as it was Schott's offense to coordinate. I highly doubt that EM forced Schott to run a hybrid offense and that he kept running it after EM was fired out of, I dunno, respect for Mangini?? Doesn't seem plausible. Just my $0.02.
I could be wrong but I think the patriots are running a reinvented spread offense. They are masters at spreading the field horizontally and allowing the recievers to read the defense and adjust routes, both keys in the spread offense. Now they have thrown in the wrinkle of the big strong athletic tight end to the mix and I think this is a point of time in the NFL where we are seeing the game evolve and the next step will be for defense to adjust their personnel to defend these types of offenses. Teams will need to get safeties and linebackers on the field that can cover these tight ends. Its not enough any longer to chip them at the line and hope the pressure gets there quick. And I agree on Belichick. In a way I think he has become more of an offensive innovator over the past few years than he ever was a defensive innovator.
You are, my friend. That's but another wrinkle in Erhardt/Perkins system. (Dubbed Air Erhardt derogatorily.) That Belichick has an extensive knowledge of 49ers WCO during the 80's and 90's also helps a lot. (He had to gameplan against that quite often.)
Well it's possible you're right. There are some things here confusing & leading me to make assumptions. Since Rex had to take on Schotty, maybe Shotty had to take on Callahan? When Rex was hired, I just can't see him choosing to keep previous OC instead of hiring his own guy. Has nothing to do w/ Rex & Schotty personalities. Just observing how common it is for new head coaches to clear house once they come in. For Schotty to keep his job, I'm assuming RR was restricted from above in choosing OC. If RR is restricted then it's possible there were restrictions on others as well. Or maybe Schotty spent so many seasons with this mess he just couldn't figure out a way to break it apart & wanted to do what was comfortable/familiar when RR took over.
thanks for the article. i read it over a couple times. very interesting stuff. when i heard that sanchez was having trouble with the playbook, i got a little down on him. i assumed schotty's playbook was more uselessly complex than other playbooks, just from all the motion and his desire to want to outsmart the other team rather than just going with what works. but i thought, 3 years is long enough to learn a playbook. now i get it. it's hard to learn retard. edit: not putting it all on schotty either. it sounds like it was a mistake made by multiple people over the years. now we finally get a blank slate to start a fresh offense.
