I know. I realized it afterwards and would have had to rearrange some coaches so I left it. Seiffert won 2. One with Montana. One with Young.........Seiffert? Talk about falling into a good situation.
well said jonnyd, well said. i wish these kids would save this shit for there high school writing classes instead of boring us. now all we need is that m and m fool guy to start adding his two cents to make this the perfect thread.
hence, rebellious treasonous disciple betraying allegiance of his master, Gator. IMO, that is definitely a part of the complex here. Woooooooooooooh... you stirr have much to rearn. my young student.
Doing it amidst playoff runs is how this stuff works. Often times the hot candidates are those on the staffs of playoff teams. Assistant coaches are allowed one day a week to interview while their current team is gameplanning/practicing for that upcoming weekend's playoff game. Of course he was denied entrance to the Patriot Compound. He was no longer employed by the Patriots. (Unless he was barred entrance while still under the employ of the Patriots. If so, that is bizarre.) Coaches and players are told to hand in their playbooks when they leave a team or at least that's how I understand it. I don't think it's that big of a deal anyway. For anything truly important he probably made copies last season. Besides, there really aren't any major secrets in playbooks.
OK, I'll think of one. .Parcells/Belichick. They even met in the playoffs. This Kung Fu storyline never entered into it..........though it might have been fun! Guantanamo Blackbird is on to something here Parcells - Why you steal my plays! Belichick - You trained in the house of thousand blitzes? Parcels - Why you say that? Belichick - You know....you rat faced dog Parcells - Hi Ya! Belichick - Hi ya!
I know, but he still did it, thus affecting game preparation and chemistry for a playoff run. And he did it with a hated rival. IN-division. Unlike Saban for example who went to LSU, excelled there, and came up on his own merit. Here's where I got you Cakes. He was still employed. He had just returned from the interview...he hadn't accepted the job yet...and he came to work, and his entry code had been changed. These are the types of messages the BB was sending Mangini.
If I was in that spot and it was done vindictively by Belichick? He can get someone else to coach the defense against Denver.
food for thought on Belichik/Pacells Parcells vs. Belichick 'not a reunion' By Bryan Morry Special to NFL.com (Nov. 11, 2003) -- In 15 years of coaching together they won two Super Bowls and went to a third, yet they did it with one reaping most of the credit as head coach and the other simply taking his place behind a legend as a trusted defensive coordinator, biding his time to one day escape that large shadow. They are, of course, Bill Parcells -- who is now in Dallas resurrecting the fourth franchise in his illustrious head-coaching career -- and Bill Belichick, who has taken the New England Patriots to Super Bowl heights even Parcells didn't reach while guiding that club from 1993 through 1996. The two will meet Nov. 16 for the first time since their abrupt divorce at the end of the 1999 season, when Parcells re-retired and Belichick unexpectedly broke away from the New York Jets and Parcells before eventually landing the Patriots job in February 2000. "We worked together for a long time and we shared a mutual respect," Belichick said of the breakup. "Not all decisions are easy, but as coaches we often have to make difficult choices. There was a lot that went into it and given all the circumstances, I felt I made the right decision. "We have a professional relationship and we had some success together. Bill always gave me the latitude to run the defense within certain general parameters, but we've all moved on with our careers." So now the divorcees will compare their new 7-2, first-place beauties in a Sunday night matchup to see whose is the fairest. Belichick, for his part, downplays the coaching face-off, but it remains difficult to believe the meeting doesn't have personal overtones for both men. "It's not really about that," he insisted. "It is about the Patriots and the Cowboys. Dallas is playing well and will be a big challenge for us. I have a lot of respect for Bill and he is doing a good job with the team. I don't think that's a surprise to anybody. But the team is the matchup." Perhaps, but in a sport where coaching plays such a prominent role in the outcome of not only games, but seasons, this meeting pits two of the league's most respected sideline walkers. "Their attention to detail is very similar," said 13-year linebacker Roman Phifer, who has played under both coaches. "They both stress the little things that can come up in a game. Personality-wise they're very different. Parcells is more vocal as a motivator whereas Belichick is more reserved; he breaks the game down to every minute detail to get you ready." The two are forever linked by the success they experienced together with the Giants, Jets and Patriots over 15 years, which accounts for more than half of Belichick's 29 years in the NFL and 75 percent of Parcells' 20 years in the league. Their Giants teams won the Super Bowl after the 1986 and 1990 seasons. In 1991, Parcells retired and Belichick landed his first head-coaching job in Cleveland, where he compiled a 36-44 record in five seasons before being fired at the end of 1995. In the meantime, Parcells had returned to coach the Patriots in 1993 and the two long-time colleagues split four meetings in three seasons before Belichick's Cleveland demise. Parcells immediately summoned his former defensive coordinator to join his Patriots staff in 1996, and together they went to a third Super Bowl, losing to Green Bay. They left New England together in 1997 and led the Jets to the 1998 AFC Championship Game one year before their nasty breakup ended in a New York courtroom with Belichick escaping to New England. It all makes for an interesting personal rivalry and chess match, even though the execution of their carefully laid out plans will ultimately determine the outcome. "Somebody is going to have to make blocks and tackles and catch passes, and it won't be me and it won't be Bill," Belichick said. "We will both do the best job we can to get our teams ready and make the best decisions we can. But in the end, the players are going to win the game." Eleven of the 53 Patriots players have worked for Parcells. Only six remain from his 1996 AFC championship club. So his return to Massachusetts is barely an issue in the locker room, even for those who actually played for his Patriots teams. "He's coming back here to beat my butt," said wideout Troy Brown, the longest tenured Patriot and a 1993 eighth-round pick. "There's nothing special about that. I'm not playing against Bill. I'm playing against his team. After the game you can shake hands and do the sportsman thing, but it's football; it's not a reunion." True. A reunion would imply the parties want to convene and reminisce. But Belichick and Parcells, who haven't coach against one another since Parcells' Patriots knocked off Belichick's Browns 17-14 in the 1995 season opener, are trying to convince the world and their teams it's just another NFL Sunday. "We approach every game with the same amount of preparation," Belichick said. "The next game is always the biggest. We won't prepare any differently with the exception that we've had some extra time with the bye. I'm sure Bill will have Dallas well prepared to play us." "I think it's an important game to (Belichick)," Phifer said. "But it's because it's one we need to win. November and December is when your team needs to be winning." Both coaches certainly understand that. Belichick is 18-9 (.667) in the final two months of the season since taking over the Patriots, and Parcells is 78-43 (.645) all-time over that same span. So as the temperatures drop, the season heats up, and two coaches who have had success together now look for it against one another.
Nah, I liked this thread. I liked it because this board is in dire need of a little creativity, and it's nice to read something that isn't scribbled in instant-message-ese. Hell, I'll read anything ever written, provided I can finish it in five minutes or less. Some things I appreciate more than others. There are just so many times I can read "Tangini rulez," or "DRob sux," before I start leafing through the boards at terrellowens.com for something fresh.
Speaking of that, you ever see Terrells responses in the Ask Terrell section? There like...yeah u no u r 2 much!!!! Get yo popcorn ready!
Some more wood to the fodder -- excellent article http://www.giants.com/news/nfl_news/story.asp?story_id=18395 NFL 2006: The Parcells tree has wide branches By DAVE GOLDBERG October 2, 2006 When Bill Belichick is asked to identify the coaches who influenced him, he begins with Ted Marchibroda and tacks on a list of relative unknowns, including, of course, his father Steve, a career assistant at Navy who died last November. The name Parcells is never uttered, at least not this century. For Belichick and Bill Parcells, who spawned one of the NFL's most successful coaching trees, have been on very different wavelengths since Belichick split from the Jets and his one-time mentor in 2000. But the ice has melted a bit lately. The two most successful members of the Tuna Tree, who barely acknowledged each other for six years, are now a little chummier, chatting from time to time this summer in a limited way about workings of the 3-4 defense and how to run a practice. ``I don't want to tell you this was a lengthy conversation,'' Parcells said this week. ``But I have talked to him say 4-5 times in the last month. He's a guy I think a lot of. He knows what my problems are. It's a good sounding board, that's all. I'm probably using him right now more than he's using me.'' That might help Parcells. Belichick's Patriots have won three Super Bowls in the last five years and the Tuna, now in Dallas, hasn't won a title -- with three different teams -- since he got his second ring after the 1990 season with the Giants. That date is significant, because that team from the Meadowlands spawned one of the most successful coaching trees in the NFL and the upper echelons of college football. It goes back to 1975, when Parcells hooked up with another young assistant at Texas Tech named Romeo Crennel. But it flows from that 1990 team that beat Buffalo 20-19 in the Super Bowl remembered most for Scott Norwood's missed field goal in the final seconds. . Crennel, now trying to rebuild a Cleveland franchise that was reborn into chaos in 1999, is one of seven head coaches from that staff. Roll call: Parcells, Belichick, Tom Coughlin (85-75 lifetime with the Jaguars and Giants), Crennel, Al Groh (Jets and Virginia), Charlie Weis (Notre Dame) and Ray Handley (Giants 1991-92). Plus Ron Ehrhardt, who coached the Patriots from 1979-81 -- his 1980 staff included a young linebackers coach who in that year was given the nickname ``Tuna'' by his players. Handley is the only clunker in there, going 14-18 in two seasons with a team that included Lawrence Taylor, Phil Simms and a bunch of other veterans from that second Super Bowl winner. For one year, Maurice Carthon, now Crennel's offensive coordinator in Cleveland, was a running back under Handley. Pepper Johnson, now Belichick's defensive line coach in New England, played linebacker in New York back then. Two more eventual head coaches, perhaps. There are, of course, other great coaching trees, notably the one that traces back to Bill Walsh, architect and coach of the San Francisco 49ers who, with Parcells' Giants and Joe Gibbs' Redskins, dominated the NFC -- and the NFL -- during the 1980s. Walsh turned over the 49ers to George Seifert in 1989, and Seifert won two Super Bowls. But the bigger group of graduates was spawned through Mike Holmgren, the offensive coordinator on the later Walsh teams. Holmgren's Green Bay staff included future head coaches Ray Rhodes (who began with Walsh), Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, Mike Sherman and Marty Mornhinweg (the Ray Handley of that group.) There also is a historic link: Paul Brown, the father of all modern coaches, whose pro career began with the Cleveland Browns in 1946. Walsh worked for Brown in Cincinnati, and even Parcells has ties to Brown through George Young, who gave him his first NFL head coaching job with the Giants in 1983. Young's first job in football was with Don Shula, first in Baltimore and then in Miami until he got the GM's job in New York in 1979. Shula has always credited his coaching career to Brown, who also ran the Cincinnati Bengals almost until his death in 1991. But the Tuna Tree is unique in a number of ways beyond its on-field success. For one thing, its members set similar rules, such as putting assistants off limits to the media much of the time. Weis, notably, often sounds like Parcells, often adding ``OK'' to emphasize a point. ``Several people say it and especially my wife,'' Weis said after he was hired by Notre Dame. ``It's not exactly the same but, really, I'm from Jersey, he's from Jersey. ... He's earned the right to bust chops with the media. So I have to pick and choose my spots and be more tactful, because people are like, 'What have you ever done?''' The latest graduate of the Tuna Tree is 35-year-old Eric Mangini, who this year became head coach of the Jets. Mangini, who like Belichick graduated from Wesleyan in Connecticut, began as an intern for Belichick in Cleveland in 1995; worked for Parcells on the Jets from 1997-99, then went with Belichick to New England. He is more a product of Belichick than Parcells, having finally worked his way up to defensive coordinator for the Patriots last year when Crennel left for Cleveland. For a long time, the perception was that Parcells and Belichick were joined at the hip. Belichick first achieved prominence as the 34-year-old defensive coordinator of the 1986 Giants, one of the great teams of the '80s. He went on to Cleveland after the Super Bowl victory following the 1990 season, but was just 37-45 there before being fired when the team moved to Baltimore after the 1995 season. Then Belichick rejoined Parcells in New England and later went with him to the Jets with the assurance that he would be the Tuna's heir. He was -- for a day -- before deciding he didn't want the job and moving on to the Patriots. Neither man has talked about it, but the general perception is that Belichick wanted to get out from under the Tuna's shadow -- Parcells remained as the Jets' director of football operations. Belichick wasn't free to join the Patriots until a settlement was reached with the Jets that included a first-round draft choice as compensation. Many people considered his hiring a strange choice by the Patriots, given Belichick's flop in Cleveland. ``I just thought he was one of the smartest people I'd ever met,'' Patriots owner Robert Kraft says of Belichick, who he hired despite calls from respected football people telling him it was a bad choice. It wasn't. Belichick's three Super Bowls in four years earned him the ``genius'' label easily given but rarely lived up to, except perhaps by Walsh. Belichick's proteges think he's in that category. ``I wouldn't mind being considered a genius,'' said Crennel, who actually is five years older than Belichick. ``I might not be there yet, but I can work towards that.'' At this point, the tree is as much Belichick's as Parcells -- just as Holmgren spawned most of the Walsh-bred coaches. Weis, a glorified gofer on the 1990 Giants, became a star offensive coordinator as the Patriots won their Super Bowls. Crennel, defensive line coach on the Giants in the '80s, became the same on defense -- even as a coordinator under a defensive coach. But it varies. Coughlin never worked for Belichick and still is very close to Parcells, who has called him ``the best coach I ever was associated with.'' In 2003, after being fired by Jacksonville and before being hired by the Giants, Coughlin spent part of his summer in the Dallas training camp, exchanging ideas with his old boss.They remain close, but as division rivals they don't help each other out any more. In hindsight, it's easy to suggest that Belichick was the key to Parcells' success with the Giants. Look at tapes of the 2002 Super Bowl, when the Patriots, 14-point underdogs, upset an explosive St. Louis team. New England's defense in that game was eerily similar to the one the Giants used 11 years earlier against an equally skilled Buffalo team. Often no more than one or two down lineman and as many as seven defensive backs were on the field. And just as the Giants conceded the run to Thurman Thomas in that '91 game, the Patriots dared Mike Martz to run Marshall Faulk, and he didn't -- until it was too late. In the end, call it a very productive collaboration between two extremely talented football men. They'll never be pals: Belichick will never go deep-sea fishing with Parcells or accompany him to Saratoga -- two of the Tuna's passions. And Parcells will probably never go with Belichick to a Bon Jovi concert. But their new relationship is build on common football interests. ``He knows what my problems are. He's someone to talk to about what are you going to do here and what are you thinking about there,'' Parcells says. And, perhaps, to talk about a new batch of up-and-coming coaches.
