The Hackenberg era is about to begin

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  1. dmw

    dmw Well-Known Member

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    LOL! Hackenberg seems like a really good guy. He just can't succeed in the NFL. Oh well. Next.
     
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    Hackenberg doesn’t even look like he’d be a starter in the Arena league.
     
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  3. Don

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    The only reason it won't get cut, other than Petty's injury is that this inept FO drafted him and the media would have a field day with them if they did cut him.
     
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    and that is the only reason why Bowles continues to push Hack out front at every opportunity.
     
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    Is it even starting? He played himself out of the backup job but poor Bryce Petty gets hurt New York Met-style after it looked like maybe he was the one showing some promise. So now we have an old hold the fort guy and a young guy who absolutely has zero chance of being an effective NFL quarterback, great rebuild. Just start Hack and get the tank train rolling.
     
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    As bad as I hated Sanchize, I would love it if Hack could somehow play to his level.
    I guess we should have let Geno hang around another season now that Petty is done again.
    Petty was light years ahead of Hack, now it's the McClown show until he gets crunched behind this shitty line.
    Maybe fate will somehow turn, and Hack will turn into Marino.
     
  7. playtowinthegame

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    Jets need to save face and cut Hackenberg. It's clear he's never going to be a competent NFL QB. Why keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? Cut him loose and I wouldn't be surprised if Hackenberg didn't even end up on some other team's practice squad. The Jets defense looks good...just trot McCown out and let the Jets defense have a chance to grow and gain confidence. Hope Petty is ok. If not the Jets will need someone else....dare I say Colin Kaepernick.......he does have ties to the Jets OC John Morton. He did have a 90.7 QB Rating in Chip Kelly's offense last season, which is pretty good considering how easy it is to throw interceptions in that offense. Just a thought. Don't want an essay reply from anyone................you know who you are. lmao
     
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    I would have no problem if they brought in Kaepernick. However, he is good enough that he might actually win a few games. That would throw a monkey wrench in the "tank" strategy.
     
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    Jets 2017 Slogan: Tanks Fer Nuttin'
     
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    zace Well-Known Member

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    Watching football life troy aikmen. Man he was bad his first season. Let's be patient with guys, they make mistakes. It happens, we forget this because we have the idea that a few anomalies of NFL success is a standard.

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    Aikman was a stud his last two years at UCLA and was also the number one overall pick. Hackenberg hasn't shown serious promise in YEARS. I just don't see it with this guy.
     
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    zace Well-Known Member

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    With any guy. Even im guilty of it. To quick to wrote guys off. Hell brady didnt do much in college, guys develop differently, we need to give them time.

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    I've been watching this guy for years. I just don't think he has the confidence to develop.

    Nonsense.I remember Brady's college career very well. He was a winner and made a lot of clutch plays/drives for Michigan. He also compiled a 134.9 QB rating at Michigan and completed 62% of his passes. Brady and Hackenberg's college resumes are night and day.
     
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    Its not nonsense he literally split games with drew henson. Misleading stats for a qb that came into the league on a stacked team. Did he become great, absolutely, but he didnt start great.

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    I remember the team well. Brady was a very good college quarterback. Henson was a super-hot QB prospect who Lloyd Carr was openly enamored with, but at the end of the day, Brady orchestrated some key drives/wins and thoroughly outplayed Henson, eventually taking the job from him.

    Hackenberg was an enormous disappointment after Bill O Brien left PSU. He didn't have half of the college career Brady did.

    Brady at Michigan: 134.9 QB rating, 61.9 completion percentage, 30 Touchdown passes, 17 interceptions, 20-5 record as a starter.

    Brady was a sixth round pick because he was thought to lack the physical tools necessary to develop into a good NFL quarterback. Scouts saw a puny kid with a weak arm and almost no foot-speed/mobility. But, he was a very solid college quarterback on gameday.
     
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    Yeah brady did develop his arm strength. He put time in. Thats what we need to allow these kids to do. Getting a new rookie qb next season doesnt mean were going to be successful.

    Using troy as an example, when he was getting hammered, he wasnt so hot. How do you expect anyone to succeed behind this line? You know nobody will. Petty wont do any better, hell aikmen definitely wouldn't.

    Hackenberg was on a bad PSU team, did he contribute, yes but that team was bad, and doesnt deserve the blame hes getting. Some of it, but definitely not the majority. The idea that a qb alone can make guys better is nonsense. He cant make guys stronger by willing it, he cant make guys run faster. He still needs a team around him.

    Lets be fair here

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    I strongly disagree. Petty has much more confidence and composure than Hack does. Hack has a scared, deer in the headlights feel to him. I keep mentioning it, but the key word to me with Hackenberg is confidence. He has none.

    Yeah, except I actually watched his games at Penn State live. Trust me, he sucked his last two years at PSU. He showed very little confidence or composure in difficult game situations. He's one of those guys who can do well when he has a clean pocket and his first read is wide open, but as we all know, that is not the NFL. In the pros, the make or break time is when you have to go to your second, third, fourth, and fifth reads, and more generally, when the play breaks down. In those situations, Hackenberg is hopeless.

    FYI, every fellow Penn State fan who I knew was laughing at me when we drafted Hackenberg. And, the thing is, I knew they were right. He's trash, homie. The quicker you accept that reality, the easier it will be.
     
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    When under pressure, Petty calmly extends the play whereas Hack doesn't even fucking know he's under pressure. With a shaky o-line, this isn't even a question if you throw away the draft statuses.
     
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    I don't think there is a disparity in confidence and I'm not ready to cede that Petty has more composure until he faces another teams 1st team defense behind our leaky o-line. Hack certainly looked as "confident" and "composed" as Petty in that last drive when he was going against the future civilians of the NFL. I will say that Petty is certainly more comfortable in this WCO than Hack at the moment. That's no surprise as this offense which emphasizes footwork, timing, rhythm..etc. is a terrible fit for Hack.
     
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    Petty has much more game experience in the pros, he should have more confidence, so that's a moot point. Hack is basically a rookie, his redshirt was to fix his mechanics, which while not perfect, look much better. He sat last season, didnt play, basically took the year off. Expect him to come on slow.

    Hes expected to struggle with a bad team. If guys cant block, catch or tackle im not sure what you expect of him. He isnt supposed to do everything. It sounds more like youre blaming him for everything then taking a look at the whole situation at Penn State. Make no mistake, it was a bad team with a bad coach. Had Bill Obrien stayed, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    Even with his newfound confidence, petty has only been successful when playing against back ups. Im still not sold on him, but i will say give him time. Hack played againt good defensive teams. The Titans, Lions, and Giants were all top 10 defensive teams. Petty came in after their starters left, i dont think he would have fared better.

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