The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: where do the Jets go from here?

Well since Hess was a 25% owner of the NYJs when we won SB3 then he had more success then the 2 others owners who were Wismer & WJ. You ought to read up on NYJ history before making silly posts :sad:

 

Barcs you are the one who seems to think that Tanny is 100% responsible for making all business decisions. I disagree because there has been substantial evidence over the past decade that Woody is a very active and involved owner and that Rex also has substantial input on personnel decisions. Heck just 2 weeks ago Woody held a very well publicized meeting with his FO and CS - he present at all practices and games and in the war room. I'm not sure how much more evidence you need that Woody is a very hands on owner.


I'm not sure why you think letting bray walk was A) Tanny's decision and B) a bad decision. Bray is an unreliable drunk who doesn't take care of his body and who hasn't done squat since we he left NY. Good riddance.

We can agree to disagree about Schilenz. As for overpaying, if you don't want to pay people, they will not play football for your team. So if you want to quibble about salaries we can go through and compare salaries of comparable talent. Ultimately those decisions are not only up to Mr. T and you have produced zero evidence that they are. I agree w/you on extending Sanchez. But I'm not going to fire my GM for stuff like that b/c its very easy to second guess any GM who doesn't win the SB for stuff like that. As for Balance - I agree w/you - but again that is not 100% on Mr.T and you have produced no evidence to suggest that it is.

Firing the GM isn't going to make the Jets play better.

 

I think we absolutely have to clean house... there is no way this type of garbage should be acceptable two years removed from back to back AFC Title Games... you should go up from that not to what we have been subjected to going back to the Ravens game last season.

I would start by firing Tanny, he has to go. Injuries are not an excuse because I don't think this team would be any better with Holmes or Revis in the lineup. His drafts since Mangini have been disgusting. I would then look to hire somebody from Pittsburgh, Green Bay, or The Giants to come in and be our GM. These teams are consistently good and don't do stupid things. Their people get it and know how to build and maintain winning franchises.

Next as GM I would trade Revis, Tebow and try and find a team to take Holmes. For Revis I would not take anything less then a 1st or very early 2nd round pick. It sounds crazy but he is probably going to hold out...again. He is going to demand a bigger contract and Cromartie has shown he cxan be the #1 CB for this team. Revis has a lot of value even after the injury but if you can get a very high pick for him take it. Tebow I'd just look for 3-5th round pick and Holmes anything I can possibly get.

 

Woody is in a really rough spot. When you take a step back the decision comes down whether you believe more in Stability or in accountability.

Tannenbaum has his faults..but he is FAR from incompetent.When making the right personnel decisions/transactions he is a great executer. Jets have had WAY more luck signing the prime targeted free agents than w/ any other GM in team history.Nnamdi got away but not many others have. He also pushed hard to take the facilities from what they were at Hofstra to possibly the best in the NFL now. I don't doubt he can fix this mess. It'll take anyone 2 years but it won't be hard to figure out.

But then comes the downward spiral this team has been on since the lockout...and the horrible decisions that have been made in the front office. Derrick Mason,WFH,Thinking Burress could be a #2,Never getting a legit #2 behind Sanchez, Letting Brad Smith walk..trying to replace Smith w/ Tim Tebow a year later. And that's the one. MT referred to Tim Tebow as "A dynamic playmaker" after the trade.Frightening that he & the scouting Dept saw that when evaluating him. He's purely a distraction & a square peg.

Sure Tannenbaum can fix this. But accountability is important. This franchise HAS made some positive strides.Does Woody decide to set a standard & find a GM to take the next step?

 

Good post Kurt . It will be interesting to see how the next 5 wks unfold. I sense that will have more to do w/any major FO changes than WFH and some of the other moves that you mentioned. To me stability doesn't need to be sacrificed in order to have accountabilty. You can hold people accountable w/o firing them.

 

I wouldn't say 100%, but 98% sure. I mean come on, you're asking me to present evidence that OUR GENERAL MANAGER controls personnel decisions and contracts? Dude, that's his job. He's a cap specialist and has his own team of talent scouts. Woody oversees the whole thing, sure, but his job should be limited to hiring / firing the other people involved as well as holding them accountable. He shouldn't have anything to do with coaching or talent evaluation. I'm aware that Rex has input on decisions as well, and I'm sure Woody does, but he's not an expert on anything related to football, so chances are Tanny has the final say, since he works the cap. I still do not believe Tebow was a Woody move. I remember Tannenbaum defending WFH all during training camp without having a backup plan or anything, when it was OBVIOUS as day that he was a problem.

I know why they let Braylon walk, but the problem was that we didn't adequately replace him. They replaced him with a gamble who hadn't played in 2 years and was straight out of prison, at the tail end of his career(aka not a longterm solution). Braylon hurt his knee with the 49ers also, which is part of his decline, had he signed with the Jets that may not have happened. Schillens was also a gamble. 2011 was our first down year since Rex, and it was obvious that the main factors were 1. LT wasn't as effective. 2. No deep threat WR. 3. Offensive line talent drop off (Woody was never replaced). I just don't know why they didn't replace critical players on offense and just thought backups could do it.

You know as well as I do that if you were to take every player on our team and rank them, then compare salaries with other players on that list, the Jets would have many near the bottom of the list, but with top of the list salaries in comparison. That point should stand on its own unless you seriously disagree we can work the #s. Sanchez is glaringly obvious, even though I don't fully blame him.

The bottom line, is that Tanny is a cap specialist. He's not a real football guy or talent evaluator. He knows how to squeeze people under the cap and restructure contracts, but again the fact remains: He has over payed people and as a result has had to dig for talent on PS squads and take a lot of gambles without addressing many of our holes on offense. Remember how he defended Wayne Hunter claiming this guy was going to be the starter this year? He looked like a complete jackass with the oline. Another issue with Tanny, and reason the talent has fallen off, is because he constantly trades down in the draft. We give up too many picks, last year was the first year in a while that we had a large talent pool and picked in almost every round. One more solid draft could help tremendously, but I'm tired of seeing our future gambled with.

Either way, I don't believe there will be any cleaning of the house this year. That will be next year, depending on how 2013 goes, but if we have a solid early round draft again, it will help a lot. The best way to build your team is via the draft, and it seems Tanny looks to make a big splash rather than to add young talented players on offense. I can't really complain about his drafting because it has mostly been decent, he just trades away too many picks, whereas good teams like NE stockpile them.

 

the team isnt as bad as its record

with a few upgrades this team could be right back in the picture

defense is still top notch (stats are skewed because they are on the field for 45 mins a game)

 

I think U have not checked up on our draft history since we won SB3. U really ought to read up on NYJ history. Do U know over our 52 years of playing FB we have ONLY 1 player that we DRAFTED that has made it to the HOF :sad:

 

everyone is spoiled because the 06-07 drafts were so awesome that now everyone wants a revis every draft

 

the problem has been that 08-12 has produced nothing

 

I was strictly referring to Tannebaum's era.

He drafted: Revis, Mangold, Ferguson, Harris who will probably be HOFers down the line. Maybe not Harris, because he's not a versatile as say Ray Lewis, but he's solid. Revis and Mangold will definitely be in. Keller is good, and could go either way. Then we have Wilkerson Ellis and Coples who will solidify the line for years to come. I think all of those were great picks, we're just short on linebackers. With that said, Tanny also drafted Gholston, Sanchez and Greene. Gholston was an obvious bust, but Sanchez and Greene are limited by the oline production and I'm not really sure how much is their fault for lack of offensive scoring.

 

What I posted was for 52 YEARS! :sad:

 

I think U ought to change your green colored shades for a more neutral color. Of all U mentioned IMHO ONLY Revis & Mangold have a shot. Also Sanchez was RR pick not Tannys all Tanny did was get the deal done so RR gets demerits for not being a good evulator . So lets recap that in say at that time 60 or so years have gone by since the NYJs have begun playing FB & 3 say that again now 3 drafted players made the HOF. What do U think of that drafting record? Also with such a record how can U say build thru the draft? :sad:

 

Go back to SB3 & then come forward & U will see that EVERY draft since then has been unproductive not just the 08-12 period :sad: