fact bills had e.j. rated higher fact cowboys did too fact idzick doesn't think mark is the answer at qb, if he did it wouldn't be a competition fact s.f. passed on kapernick along with 31 other gm's fact seattle did it twice with Wilson fact bengals did it with Dalton fact 5th overall picks shouldn't be competing for their jobs 5 years in ya boys a bust bro, sadly that's probably a fact too.
Or, maybe he just didn't feel he needed to break his own developmental plans for a west coast excursion. Its just a sleep over anyway, its nice but not crucial to forming any relationships with his teammates, wether on or off the field. Theres plenty of time for that a couple weeks from now. There really doesn't seem to be any fear based in his inaction, he could just be confident that what he's doing is best for him overall. And no, that doesn't mean he thinks he's Montana, it just means he's good with what he's doing and doesn't feel as though a few days in Cali will help him as much as staying in rhythm. but, whatever makes you feel better. May the best man win, and may the best man keep doing it into january.
I think you've gone alittle too far. It's ok to support Sanchez,prefer Sanchez as starter & whatever else. But to outright deny that there is a competition at QB is just ludicrious. Furthermore..you are certainly entitled to be skeptical of Geno's skills. But to try & pretend that he wasn't the consensus #1 QB heading into the draft by virtually everyone just isn't accurate. The media may have no idea how to scout NFL players or what really goes on behind the scenes but they DO usually project the consensus big board fairly accurately. In this case virtually every network,expert & publication had Geno as the #1 QB available. That's not merely coincidence. And given the way they have bashed Geno since draft day..you can't honestly say its favortism.
Okay, so every source, unless it is straight from an NFL team, is considered a "media source" and should be discreditted? Please Hobbes. Ive had enough of your dumbass posts. Now, I know you hardly research the draft, but to belittle any internet source is pretty offensive being that many people put a ton of work into it and spend hours watching and researching tape. They may not be scouts for NFL teams (although some are former scouts), many of these people are credible authorities on the subject. Just because you know nothing of the draft, it doesnt mean that fairly reliable websites are false. Now the Cowboys took a "consensus" 4th round center in the 1st round and passed on a "consensus" top 12 player. Personally, I could care less what the Cowboys draft board looked like.
Actually, E.J. Manuel was drafted at #16, not 18. And Buffalo did not trade up to get him, they traded DOWN with the Rams from the #8 spot. You should know this, as it's widely speculated that the Jets might have taken Tavon Austin at #9, but the Rams jumped ahead of them to snag him. A lot of teams that needed QBs sought them out via free agency or trade. Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Matt Flynn, and things like that. Some teams covered their bases, and you gotta think that it was a reflection of what they thought about this QB class. Not many "QB-needy teams" took a QB at all even after most fell to the 4th round...they chose to gamble elsewhere. It was a confusing QB class, at least from where I was sitting. That said, there is a legitimate QB competition going on here, make no mistake about that at least. That means that Sanchez may not win, so brace yourself for that possibility. Even if he does start week 1, he may play poorly enough to lose his job to Geno somewhere down the line. The Jets didn't draft Geno as a prop, or even as a backup. They drafted him to threaten Sanchez's job security, if you will. It was not an empty gesture. I'm sure any number of teams had Geno Smith at the top QB on their boards...but that doesn't even matter. Once you make the team, it doesn't matter so much WHEN you were drafted anyway. You don't have to be a fucking superstar to beat out Sanchez, ask me. I'd tell you what's going to happen, but I left my crystal ball in my other tuxedo. Drafting players isn't an exact science, so anything could happen.
In the biggest games of the season last year Geno Smith folded like a cheap suit. That has me highly concerned about him and is a major reason why he fell in the draft. When doing further review of Geno he really flourished by dumping the ball off to Stedman Bailey and Tavon Austin.
You can only put so much stock into college production for a QB...especially on an individual game by game basis. There are just so many factors that go into it including surrounding cast,play calling, & opposing defense. Additionally, I'm not sure it's fair to hold it against the kid for making the proper reads within the system if dumping the ball off was the right call given the circumstances. Especially considering he was drafted to play in a West coast offense which does feature some dump off throws. We want him to make the proper read & execute the offense,right? If the argument is that he's a product of the system/surrounding cast..that's worth discussing. But bare in mind he was statistically successful over several years at WVU & did play in a few different systems including a pro style one. Additionally all publications suggest he has off the chart arm talent & above average football IQ. He most certainly has some things to work on & is far from a perfect prospect. But if he's gonna fail I believe his issues will be more consistency than so lack of talent or system adaptability.
i'm tired of people talking about how GM's and teams skipped over Geno so he blows. Like jesus, some of these guys get it wrong too. they have been wrong on so many QBs over the years
Kinda reminds me of Clubber Lang vs Rocky ... One guy working hard in the slums, the other guy getting soft and taking it easy in luxury
I still have no idea why we didn't draft Bailey in the third. I'm hoping Winters will be good but I have a feeling Idzik is gonna regret passing on Bailey.
To add on to that, Geno faced 6 top 40 ranked teams in 2012. Texas, OK state, KState, OK, TCU and Baylor. He did go a pedestrian 2-4 vs them. The K-State game, he did play pretty poorly and goes as much on him as anyone. The other 5 games, WVU averaged 48 points on the board. They lost 3 of those games by less than 3 points. I remember watching that Oklahoma game, and Geno battled in the game as well as anyone. He put his team in position to win. The defense averaged giving up 51 points per game over those 6 games. Thats atrocious and hard for any QB to succeed in those situations. Over the course of those 6 games Geno averaged a 69% completion percentage, 335 ypg, and had a 22 to 5 TD-INT ratio. Those are pretty damn good numbers vs the better competition he played. As for the dump offs to Stedman and Tavon, Im sure a lot of his success came from them, but the same goes for other QBs then. Boyd has/had Hopkins and Watkins. Barkley had Woods and Lee. McCarron has the best OL and run game in college football and Amiri Cooper is a damn good receiver. Tyler Bray had Hunter, Patterson and Rodgers. RG3 had Wright, Terrance Williams and Josh Gordon. Luck had Fleener and Ertz.... Also, as great as Tavon and Stedman are, they are still 5'10 and under. Not very large targets to complete 71% of his passes even if he was asked to "dump it off" more than most.
Stop looking at Geno's record vs top defenses he had no run game or defense to help him look at his skill set and mental approach both greater than Sanchez's
So Tavon scored ALL 49 points for WVU int the game against OKlahoma? How come its so hard to accept that Geno had a part of these games?
I've backed away from all the coverage for a few weeks now, and coming back to the forum I see this thread at the top. Without having been waterboarded with the SANCHEZ/GENO/GENO/SANCHEZ/PRIMADONA/JERK deluge of inane media coverage and pointless debate for over a month, my initial reaction was, "wow, it's pretty sweet that we got two high round defensive studs AND Geno Smith." I just wanted to share my happy moment with all of you lovely gents. Carry on.
