The Geno Smith "Era" (Official Geno Thread) - All Geno Talk in here!

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  1. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Studying the play book
    Watching Aaron Rodgers film(who he patterns his game after)
    Pick MMs brain
    Working out

    Any of the 4
     
  2. RochesterJet

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    Not the year to do what? Continue Jets west? That would be more telling and as I said; you Sanchez haters would be bitching about that too. What's next you calling me Hobbs because I'm supporting something Mark is doing?

    As jets fans we should all wait until TC and the end of Pre-season to decide who should start. As for Geno, guy has moxy and I hope he doesn't get too volatile with the NY media if he is thrown into the fire and flounders (undoubtedly will happen as I believe the supporting cast is bottom 2 in the NFL on that side of the ball).
     
  3. Br4d

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    I don't hate Mark Sanchez. I just can't stand his play on the field at this point and I don't particularly want to see more of it.

    Would I feel differently if he had followed up the mediocre first three quarters of the season last year with 8 TD's and 1 Int in December instead of 1 TD and 8 Int's?

    Probably.

    Whether I like Mark Sanchez or not I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt any more on whether he can actually play QB at a high enough level to keep his job.

    That's beside the point.

    He's in his 5th year now and if he is not a good QB, which he clearly is not at this point, it is time to move on.

    You can call that Mark Sanchez Hate but it's really just hatred for the declining level of his play. I root for the Jets to win and I don't care what Nick Mangold thinks, Mark Sanchez does not give the Jets their best chance to win a Super Bowl at this point. Point one percent is not higher than what anybody else brings to the table.
     
  4. Jeti

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    Jets west should not take place this year

    Unless Sanchez was the clear cut starter

    I wouldn't bitch if he didn't do it

    Also I don't hate him I just think he's a flawed QB we need to move on from

    Also we all want to wait until after 2 pre-season games for the starter to be named that way the starter gets the crucial week 3 game and 2 weeks to prepare for the Buccaneers
     
  5. RochesterJet

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    All QB's have flaws. Just remember these flaws are exacerbated when an organization fails to supply that QB with adequate weapons, something Mark has endured.

    Getting bak to Geno, I hope the kid is working on his playbook and footwork (I bet he is). It's reported that he has the work ethic and moxie a QB needs to withstand the demands of the NFL.

    My concerns about Geno arn't his arm but the system he played at in college, the weapons had at his disposal (Austin and Bailey) and the ability to Handel the NY media if things go wrong (a reported reason he fell in the draft was his interviews and entitlement mentality).
     
  6. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    Like it or not, Sanchez wants to win the job as much as Smith. So why would he cave and not hold Jets West? Because some dumb ass fans want nothing more from this season than to see Sanchez on the bench, team be damned, Smith's development be damned, everything else be damned.

    Mangold supports Sanchez because they have been teammates for 4 seasons and have played 60 regular season games and 6 playoff games together. They have been through the football wars together. Would you expect anything else? If you do, you have never been on a team.

    Sanchez may have had a horrible season last year, but there is not a single piece of evidence that he is not a good teammate or is bad for the locker room.

    Sanchez should do what he does every year to prepare for the season. To do otherwise is to concede something is different. As a Jets fan , we should all hope that Sanchez has a good season and that Smith is properly developed and is the real deal.

    I for one hope that Sanchez starts the season at QB. It is better for the team and better for Smith. Smith is still learning how to run a pro style offense. He is still working on fundamentals like footwork. He is still learning the playbook. Since when is the book written and closed on a rookie QB before he has 20-30 starts let alone after his first minicamp?????

    So when Sanchez takes the field against the Bucs on opening day, Jets fans better understand why that may be the best thing for the team in the long run, either because he finally turned the corner and will have a good season or because we need to take the long view and realize that Smith may not be close to being ready in September or in 2013 at all. The Jets likely ruined Sanchez the past two seasons by putting him out there with offensive line issues, slow or no receivers, and OCs who have no clue. Let's not do the same with Smith by putting him out there with Mo, Larry, and Curly and receivers and no tight end and expect him to develop.

    So stop the blind Sanchez bashing and start thinking like an intelligent fan that wants his team to be built into a perennial playoff team. That takes some patience and some understanding. It may take 2-3 years and another season of Sanchez. Deal with it.
     
  7. RochesterJet

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    Looks like we have a logical thinker in this thread...
     
  8. AbdulSalam

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    who cares whether the stupid fans understand that if Sanchez wins the Starting QB job he deserves to start? These are the same yahoos who want to fire the HC every 3-4 yrs despite the HC taking the team to 2 Straight AFCCGs. In other words these types of fans are morons who don't understand football, leadership or fundamental organizational management. RR is a very good HC and the odds are that he gets this D back to where it is supposed to be playing NYJ Football. If Sanchez and the O can simply reduce the turnovers by 25% - the NYJ will be a .500 football team. If Sanchez rediscovers how to move the offense - 10-6. If Sanchez is not able to reduce turnovers and move the football - Geno Smith will get his chance. Its pretty simple and logical. No wonder the lunatic fringe is incapable of comprehending it.
     
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    It's funny how the same TGG posters who damned the Jets for throwing a rookie under center 4 yrs ago are now screaming at the jets to do the same thing with Smitty.
     
  10. laxin

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    At this point, I just think people want the best player to win the job... and many think Geno is that guy.

    If Geno comes out and simply isnt ready, I highly doubt everyone here would still be screaming to throw him out there week 1.
     
  11. Joe Willie White Shoes

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    Some fans just don't get that this season really doesn't matter. It is a rebuilding year and the Jets are an unfinished product. It's time to build a winner, not take repeated one year runs at a title with no regard for the future. This is a year to watch the D-line mature, to se how the secondary plays without Revis, to see whether the Jets can pressure the QB, to see if Ivory can be a 250 carry back, to see whether Sanchez remains a Jet, to see if Smith shows flashes of the QB he can be in 2-3 years, and to see of the OL finally has depth and to see how badly the Jets need weapons on offense.
     
  12. Br4d

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    If Sanchez plays the way he did last year the Jets are going to wind up something like 3-13.

    At the end of 2011 his play slumped significantly and that slump is what the first three quarters of 2012 looked like. Then his play slumped significantly again...

    Seriously, if the Jets don't think Sanchez is ready to have a top notch season they really shouldn't put him on the field. There are real games to win and lose in 2013 and if Sanchez follows the pattern of the last two years he is going to lose a bunch of them.

    Pulling him when the Jets are 1-6 isn't the answer. The answer is not putting him on the field in the first place unless the Jets think he is going to have a good season.

    Mark Sanchez is not Kurt Warner and he's not Matt Hasselbeck and he's not Jon Kitna. He's significantly worse than those guys, even at the stage in their careers when they were holding the fort for the next QB. Mark Sanchez is a baaaaaad QB right now and there's no good reason to put a bad QB on the field in place of your 2nd round pick whom you need to evaluate in 2013.
     
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  13. Jeti

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    I dont think he should hold it because it could cause unnecessary friction between the locker room. Him doing it when he was the #1 no one cared we needed it, like Brees does with his guys but at this point its a no, no

    I understand him supporting Mark but doing it in the media isn't needed right now. Again the headline reads "Locker room wants Sanchez to win the job", so if Geno wins the job we now got "Locker room against Geno winning job", "Jets players dont believe in Geno", "Mangold unhappy with decision"

    never said he was, moot point

    I hope Sanchez has a turn around, however I will no longer support him until he shows improvement. I went to bat for him last year as a top half of the league QB and got laughed at after his debacle

    whatever is needed for Geno to be successful I'll take but the last thing we need is Sanchez out there, Jets being 1-6, Rex now gone, new coach wants QB of his choice, wasted pick, etc... Russell Wilson wasn't ready last year but they brought him along gradually, we can do the same

    Jets gave him everything he needed his 1st 2 years then when they thought he could handle added pressure he collapsed, Sanchez never had it

    I can see and what I see is a horrible situation for this franchise if Sanchez marches out there Week 1 vs Tampa Bay unless he shows us something in the pre-season

    until then everyone in the organization should STFU
     
  14. RochesterJet

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    Haha, put your "2nd round pick" behind that pathetic line, have him throw to Chaz fucking Schillins, split time with Tebow, no RB's who can pick up a blitz, Tony S as his coordinator... Not to mention learning how to adjust to a pro style offense.

    Insert Geno of today in Marks shoes last year and I bet the results are a 4-12 team. Get a clue, you don't just throw your future QB in the same mess you just did with your previous future QB...but hey it's the Jets so it will probably happen and fans like you will be bitching about Geno in 2 years...it's in our DNA
     
  15. johnnysd

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    Perfect post. Agree 100%
     
  16. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    It is not possible to evaluate Geno Smith in 2013. He is a QB who played in a spread offense, not a pro offense, in college. He is a second round pick, which does not mean he should start immediately. Some first round picks don't start right away. In fact, other than last year, it is rare for rookie QBs to start.

    He is not going to march on the field in 2013 and perform even with a good offense. The Jets offense is bad even when the QB is removed. The OL is questionable, the running game is coming off 2 bad seasons and the team is filled with unproven running backs, the passing game was awful and the talent at receiver and TE is among the worst if not the worst in the league.

    The Jets best receiver, Holmes, is injured and it looks like he may not be ready to start the season. The #2 receiver is a rookie who could not catch a cold last year after playing 4 years in an option offense in college and catching a handful of passes a year - and he is battling a bad knee. The tight end is Cumberland, who is unproven. The best healthy receiver - Kerley - is a slot receiver.

    This is the team you want Geno Smith to run for a one year audition given his learning curve? There is nothing to be gained by starting Smith at the beginning of the year. There is plenty to lose, however.

    The Jets need to take the long view here. This infatuation with the college QB class in 2014 is ridiculous. There are no guarantees that any of the QBs other than Bridgewater are first round picks and the QBs other than Bridgewater have as many questions as Smith had. Plus, if the Jets win more than 4 games, they have no shot at Bridgewater.

    Smith is the QB of the future and whether he is good enough to be a starter or a franchise QB cannot possibly be fairly determined in 2013.

    Sanchez should start and Smith should sit and be an apprentice. Who cares if the Jets start 1-6 or 3-9 with Sanchez? This team is not winning any championships this year. This team is not likely to make the playoffs unless Sanchez turns it around, Holmes is healthy, the OL gels, Hill makes a huge leap, Cumberland shows he is starting material and the Jets re-establish a strong running game. What is the likelihood of all of that happening?

    The Jets need to be patient and give Smith a fighting chance. The Jets are not Seattle or SF or Washington. In fact, the Jets do not have the receivers Luck has in Indy - not even close. Smith sits, Sanchez plays and Jets fans live with the results until the bye week and then maybe the Jets push the reset button and give Smith a look if the team is losing. I would be disappointed with any other plan.
     
  17. Royce Parker

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    In that case I hope you're disappointed.
     
  18. Br4d

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    The way that plan plays out the Jets go 3-13/4-12/5-11 tops. Sanchez is gone at the end of the year. Rex is gone at the end of the year. All the players drafted specifically for Rex's defense, and before this year that's all the defensive picks since 2010, are less valuable being squeezed into somebody else's scheme - including Mo Wilkerson.

    We're starting over again in 2014 and we're doing it from the cellar.

    The new coach, BTW, is most likely going to be asking for a 1st round QB if that happens. He isn't likely to want Geno Smith given the questions hanging over him at that point, which will be many.

    New GM's want their head coach. New head coaches want their QB. The Jets are looking around a lot of corners right now and if 2013 is a Sanchez-inspired disaster a lot of those corners are going to be dead ends in the short term.
     
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  19. Jeti

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    exactly

    Sanchez costing us valuable time right now

    Rex gone means all his D-Linemen are no useless except for Richardson

    I could see the new coach trying to squeeze Wilk and Q into 4-3 DE's which they are not and never will be.

    Then we got a young QB with the potential to be the next Aaron Rodgers who would get dealt because the new HC wants his own guy
     
  20. AbdulSalam

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    Wrong and utterly meaningless comment.

    Rex is here, the DLine is great and the only thing useless is your spelling.

    I can see you squeezing your football knowledge into a thimble and still having room left over for a shot of tequilla.

    then you woke up in your parent's basement and went back to being unemployed and playing madden.
     

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