that part right there. thats what has me apprehensive of next years class besides general rookie learning curve all over again. a lot of run firsts in a league desiring them, but that won't work too well in the offense being run. I feel like the desire to have run first QB's is spurning from wanting rookies to have an easy transition from college to the NFL, and last year most were caught off guard by mobile QB's. Now, i think the risk of injury or potential over reliance on the run in the face of passing opportunities might not be worth it, especially since defenses are gonna catch up to that trend.I mean look at Kap, he'll run when he doesn't have too because its his first instinct, dude can make every throw but will sometimes just panic and run when he could of gotten more yards through the air. Now imagine a rookie getting his bearings doing the same. Thats not to say i think any of them CAN'T develop over time or come into the NFL as major passing threats, its just that unless a new offense is implemented I'm not to sure how much being a runner will help. The thing I've liked most about geno is his desire to be a playmaker through the air first and foremost, the dude will go deep when he can and is developing a bit of a gunslinger attitude while still being able to make a dash if needed. this has its side effects as well, and he needs to get better at dropping back among other things but his instincts to me are more valuable than my impression of such from next years class, save Teddy. ( I'll give Hundley another look)
I'm not a huge fan of scrambling on every play. It's great as a rookie, but eventually you need to pass to win this game. Def not a huge fan of Aaron Murray, he has a stronger arm then Kellen Moore but I think your projections are right on regarding their role in the NFL. A back-up QB. In order to get Bridgewater / Hundley, we will need a top 5 pick. I don't see that happening with us - Hopefully Geno continues to progress. Geno and his fumbling are starting to worry me though, I saw this a lot in college and now I'm starting to see it every game in the NFL. 2 freaking hands on the ball at all times. He had I believe 30 lost fumbles back in college, maybe more snaps from under-center can help him
Well, the Jets have won 2 out of his first 4 starts so that's decent for a rookie QB. It is true that if you break down his season by couplets so far he seems to be improving a bit, although the 4 TO's against Tennessee were kind of disastrous. First two games: 53.4% completion pct, 6.44 YPA, 1 TD, 5 TO's. Second two games: 61.9% completion pct, 9.84 YPA, 4 TD, 6 TO's. That is signs of improvement and it wasn't all against the Bills weak secondary.
Overall Geno has looked like dog shit. He's made a few really nice throws, he's stood in and delivered the ball while getting smacked in the mouth. Mostly he looks lost in the pocket and shows little regard to protecting the football. On the other hand, I'm fine with dog shit. The guy got virtually no real work in TC and pre-season. Holmes played zero in TC and pre-season. Hill has been in and out and so has Kerley. A new O was installed. We have no real blocking TE's no real RB you can give the ball 20 carries a game with and you know what. Dog shit, nice firm, healthy dog shit isn't so bad. I'm surprised we don't have constant diarrhea. If you ever bring a puppy into a dysfunctional family that feeds it a constant diet of crap and ignores it you get runny diarrhea all over the house. A few firm dog shits tells me we got a health puppy. He just needs the proper exercise and a good diet. Geno is going to be a good healthy lead dog. All he needs is the right training. So far we are raising a puppy in an abusive home. Once he is placed in the right home, he's going to be fine. If Andrew Luck was drafted by the Jets this year he would suck after 4 games.
Not high on Hundley at the moment....needs to go back to school for another year or if he's taken in the 2014 draft, he needs to sit for a while. He's not skilled enough passing the ball to contribute asap. The only QBs I'd take over Geno are Bridgewater and maybe Price of WSH who people are sleeping on. Boyd isn't agile enough and really needs to the perfect pocket to unleash from what I have seen and you won't get that in the NFL unless you luck into a studly O-Line. That's not to say he isn't athletic or can't scramble around or run but that isn't his bread and butter....kinda like Geno. I kinda like Braxton Miller too but not past Geno....I think Miller's a more polished Terelle Pryor which isn't bad at all.
This is bullcrap cause Luck is stronger and can run. Go look at Bridgewaters rushing stats. He scrambled for a big 4 yards and had a awkward throwing motion. What about derek carr? Big ,fast and a cannon for a arm. How is murray overrated ? Short ? He is 6'1 . Mettenberger is not coming out this season I believe. Manziel is gonna be the real deal. He is putting up way way better passing stats than Tebow can ever dream of and is still young enough to stay another year. He will come out this year though threw articles and knowledge of watching him for the past 2 seasons.
The point is that it is not a reasonable analysis to be talking about sure things in the draft. But let's put it this way - all other things being equal, and if your team needs an upgrade at Qb, better to depend on two or more shots than just one. The Jets did that already with MS.
Totally agree here. It's simply to early to say either way whether he will fail or succeed. He's gotta show progress or the Jets should draft another Qb next off season.
Yea the turnovers are disastrous but he was getting better every week until the Titans game. I consider weekly improvement as him being decent. I hope he cuts down the TO's. Yeah he's been improving every week. The NE game ruined his completion percentage. Without the rookie curve yes he's dog shit. But judging him as a rookie he's been fine.
Too funny. I get we are all HOPING Geno is the man, but to deny that Boyd isn't a better talent is silly. He's a stronger, more accurate thrower than Geno and he's a weapon as dynamic runner, not a guy that just runs while under pressure. He's a bigger Russell Wilson. I'm not saying Geno can't be the man but Boyd is going to be a serious player in this league. _
Boyd is not much bigger than wilson. 6'1 and 5'11 is not much a difference. Wilson is way way better. geno is bigger 6'3 and threw for more yards than boyd. Both guys are risky picks but we got geno at a good price (2nd round).
Rocket arm, super accurate, explosive runner and 2 inches taller. Just like I said--a bigger Russell Wilson. Don't care about who has "more yards" that's irrelavant considering the volume of yards picked up by austin and Bailey with screens and dumpoffs and shovel passes. Watch him play, he is a stud and he's playing much better competition than Geno ever did. This entire class is so much better than last years class. _
Hundley at this stage, I think is a first rounder no doubt and the 2nd most talented QB I believe (with the 2nd most upside). I do agree that he should return to school for one more year, and he could be the #1 overall draft pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. Hundley more than likely isn't a polished passer at this stage (still early in the season) and he is still inexperienced, but everything is there for him to become a good QB at the next level. I like his duel threat ability - but he is instinctively a pass first QB. Price is underrated, with the offensive line at WSU playing much better, you can see how much better he's playing with more talent around him. He is a senior though, I doubt he goes in the first. But who knows, as the season progresses his stock could increase even more. I don't see him on the same level plane as Geno. Geno was more productive at WVU (even though he had better weapons). Not sure if he goes ahead of Boyd or even Manziel (gross) Braxton Miller is another wildcard. When his back-up came in and played, he was just as effective as Braxton. Is it the system? Or is Braxton that good? Pryor is playing well in the NFL after sitting on the bench for 2 years. Just not high on Boyd just as you are and you listed reasons I completely agree on. Geno is taller and I think Geno can play decent with a sub-par offensive line just as he did in WVU - I think that is one of the more major differences between the two prospects.
Boyd is going to get killed in the NFL. The guy is tough as nails and takes a pounding at the College level. At the pro level taking solid shots is death. Tough kid but I think at the NFL level it's going to be a negative. Wilson hardly ever takes a full on hit. He is amazing at taking glancing blows. That's a hard thing to teach a guy like Boyd.
I agree this class is better but boyd is no wilson. I like a lot of QB's coming out. Not crazy on bridgewater with that wierd throwing motion and that he is slow scrambling out of the pocket. I like Murray and you posted that he is overrated? How is austin and bailey working out right now?
Wilson has intangibles that no other QB in this draft other than Bridgewater has. If Wilson were taller he would of been the 2nd QB drafted and would of given Luck a run for his money.
I never said Murray was overrated--that was someone else. I think he's a player--better than all the QBs in last years class other than Geno and EJ, and he just might end up being better. What Austin and Bailey are doing in the pros is irrelevant, they two guys produced a LOT of Geno's yards all by their lonesomes. A lot of shovel passes or bubble screens going for 50-60-70 yards goes a long way in the stat column. Boyd shredded my Orangmen this weekend with long bombs and intermediate range lasers. _
I heard when Wilson entered the building everyone knew he was the guy--Flynn had no shot. A leader from day 1. I wish Geno had that force of personality but you can't have everything. _
