There are no slam dunks-even Teddy-but I think Boyd, Mariota, McCarron and Murray were/are all better college players and Mettenberger is the guy going to shoot up the boards because of his measurables. The interesting guy is Manziel and can Woody not take him? _
Not sure about the other guys but Mettenberger is a huge risk. If he doesn't work out people will just point to his body of work before his senior year and ask why anybody would so heavily weight one year of play in evaluating him. Mettenberger is like the anti-Russell Wilson. He's got all the physical qualities you want in an NFL QB and very little resume to go with it.
I disagree because I already think Geno is a productive QB, and I'm not really concerned with his downside- the turnovers I can live with because he's a rookie. I'd like to see some WOW games out of him, something that shows he can be MORE than just "productive", something that shows a stud in the making because I just think there are some true studs going to be available that I'd prefer not to pass on. I get that our QB is going to need talent around him, but I'd rather build around a true franchise guy, not saying Geno isn't. _
I agree, but someone is going to gamble that the light switched on and this is who he is. You have to admit he looks pretty good :grin: _
I don't know what the stats are around the league but it seems with more passing there are more picks. Even established Qbs like Schaub and Eli have multiple turnover days. And if you look at the box scores almost every Qb in the NFL has interceptions or fumbles. Not that I'm making an excuse for Geno. This team is not good enough to win with turnovers esp when the defense never gets takeaways. And I don't want to wake the Mark devotees or have them come out from under their rock to again make more excuses for Sanchez. (It's the coaching, it's the OL, it's the skill position players, it's never Mark). At least with Geno he's on a learning curve and in his first year. But there has to be a conscious effort on his part and the coaching staff has to get him to stop trying to throw through tiny openings in the defense (anything short if not incl. electro shock therapy) if the team wants to win games esp with a brutal schedule in October. Of course the coaching staff tried to do the same thing with Mark (incl. color coding) and he still wouldn't listen to them. So if he doesn't improve you have to go forward. We don't need another turnover machine losing games that could have been possibly won.
I'm sort of mixed on this. On one hand, if Geno is productive we should try to get all we can out of him. On the other hand, Quarterbacks are so valuable nowadays, we should probably draft one every year or every other year. If you just look at how Philly and Seattle flipped players like Kolb and Matt Flynn into draft picks, it makes sense. I took a look back at the past 10 years of Quarterbacks who made it to the superbowl in an attempt to consider if you can just have an "above average" QB and still be competitive long term. Here are some of the names: Hall of Famers: Tom Brady (3) Peyton Manning (2) Drew Brees Kurt Warner Consistently Above Average-These guys are probowlers most years, and often get their teams to the playoffs: Eli Manning (2) Big Ben (3) Aaron Rodgers Donavan McNabb That guy played in a superbowl? - These guys are about average to above average...but they also have their "bad" streaks. Joe Flacco Rex Grossman Matt Hasselbeck Jake Delhomme Too Soon To Tell: Kaepernick If we look at the list, if you manage to get a top 10 QB it seems you're almost as well off as having a hall of famer. I'd back up Bradway's idea that we just need Geno to be "productive enough". In my mind however, you really need a top 10 QB to build around. Maybe Geno can be it. He surely has the arm. What I think we really need are skill players. We haven't drafted a skill position probowler in a long time. I don't know if they need to blow up the scouting department or what, but our picks on defense and offensive line have been pretty good for years, but our skill position picks have been bad, perhaps awful.
I'm not a big believer that a team needs a franchise Qb even in a passing league. First there are only a handful and you have to be very lucky to be able to draft or acquire one. It also means you have to devote a big chunk of your cap space for only one player. I'm more for spreading it out instead of spending on just a few guys. Using it for depth esp on the lines. Of course that would negate re-signing a player like Revis for 16 mil. So if Geno can just do his job: manage the team with fewer turnovers than his opponents, lead drives and give his team better than average TOP and score points esp touchdowns the team can win with that. To me he doesn't have to prove or be a franchise Qb just a good quarterback.
Some think he's already showing he is or will be productive enough, but I disagree with that view. I assume you are saying you want to see improvement as the year goes on. The Jets will need to see that for two reasons. One is that his current level of play is not acceptable for hte long haul. The other is that if he does not improve, there will be increasing pressure to see what they might have in Simms. So then i guess the question is how much improvement is needed before the Jets can pass on using a high draft pick at Qb next off season. That I think is actually a tough call, and it can get pretty dicey if he shows some but not all that great improvement. It won't matter if he doesn't show much, though. If he's still turning it over, showing poor pocket awareness and bad decisions, he might not last to the halfway mark let alone encourage the Jets not to go Qb high in the next draft.
He's saying that unless Geno doesn't play to a certain standard. The Jets have to draft a QB next year because they are too good to pass up. So I'm saying what makes him so sure that any of those guys are gonna be better than Geno. Right now Geno has played 4 games and has overall looked decent. What's makes you so sure that any of those guys are any better? Last year we were told that this past draft was deep at the QB position yet only 2 QB's were drafted in the first two rounds.
So let me get this straight, Abyz leaves and you show up lol. But anyways, the only QB I see as a better QB prospect for the NFL is Bridgewater and Hundley. Here are the prospects IMO that aren't better than Geno. Boyd - Him and Hundley are an interesting comparison. Boyd has been more consistent, but I think Hundley has a higher ceiling. Just not sold on Boyd as an NFL QB. Mariota - not seasoned, run first QB (does not fit our offense) Mettengerger - showed nothing until this season and is a senior. McCarron - reminds me of Ken Dorsey. Aaron Murrary - Short stature, overrated. Experienced though. Don't see much upside. Bridgewater, is maybe a level below Luck, but it is close. What I like about Hundley is he is a duel threat but he loves to throw the football first and it is his first instinct.
+1. Not sold on Boyd. While his ability to extend the play with his legs certainly has value, it seems like he does that too often. Is that an issue with reads or are his receivers get not good enough to get separation? We'll certainly find out. About Murray, he's definitely not going to be an immediate star in the league. For some reason, he reminds me of Kellen Moore. Perhaps he could sit on the bench for a few years and develop a la Chase Daniels. Still, right now, my opinion would be to stick with Geno over those guys. Let's see where he stands after the season.
Geno hasn't looked decent so far. He's showed some promise and some potential. If he cuts the turnovers way down and enables the Jets to score some points on offense then he's going to move the meter to decent. All I need to see out of him this year to convince me that it's worth passing on the top end of that deep QB class is a competent workman-like QB who shows the flashes that Geno is showing right now. If Geno was taking care of the ball and moving the Jets to consistent scoring opportunities and also flashing the potential to be very good that he is flashing right now nobody would be talking about drafting a QB next year.
Cut out the record numbers of turnovers then yes with the turnovers no. He has played decent at times.he is throwing less picks than Eli so he has that going for him
