It's more about the types of mistakes then the fact that he's making mistakes at all, which is to be expected. I just don't know if someone can learn how not to force balls into tight windows or fail to read a defence and make necessary adjustments to the play called. To a degree, sure, but I'm not confident someone can go from being a 9/10 on the turnover scale to a 2/10. Maybe I'm just too ruined from Sanchez and have to realise that not all rookie QBs will follow the same path as him but until I have reason to believe otherwise I will continue to think that way. This is why I said Geno needs a big game this week to bounce back from a very poor performance. If it's more of the same I'm going to wonder whether or not this is his true colours showing through...if he has a strong bound back game then at least it shows the potential for improvement.
You keep posting this and I continue to disagree. First, the Jets likely will not know whether Smith is the answer at QB after one season with a lack of WR weapons. Second, I think history has proven that QB competitions are not good for a team. The starters lose reps, the media goes overboard, and the locker room gets divided. If you want to bring in a veteran back up (not one who is 40 years old like Brunnell), then fine. But if the Jets draft another QB in round 1-2 next year, they are not likely to know what they have in him for another 2-3 years and we end up with a QB mess. Despite what the football media and average fan thinks, it still makes sense to develop players, including QBs. Smith has the physical talent. His mental grasp of the game needs to catch up. And the CS needs to give him a break by not making the passing game the focus of the offense every week. He is on pace to throw 550 passes for 4100 yards this year. In comparison, Wilson and Griffin threw about 400 passes each last season. Most rookie QBs throw closer to 400 passes a season than 600. Marty ball is hurting Smith. He is not ready to run an offense like this one, and neither would the large majority of rookie QBs over the past decade, even with the changes in the game. Add in that the Jets don't have receivers to justify a pass happy offense and you get the turnover fest we have seen for four games.
My thoughts as well. It does not hurt to have a 2nd good QB propspect. If you don't know if Geno is your guy at the end of the year and you have the opportunity to take a franchise QB you can take him. This is no longer 2009 where the rookie contract is so high where if you miss on a 1st round QB it severely hurts your cap position I love what the Redskins did last year with RG3 then Cousins in round 3. A QB next year does not have to be in the 1st round. It looks to be a very deep QB draft.
I agree. The league has become so QB driven that most teams need above average QB play to compete. If you manage to get two you can always trade one for some good value. Since Geno fell to the second round and the change in the rookie pay scale his contract is of minimal concern. We really lucked out with that.
Here's where I think I am not communicating well to you: I don't think Geno has to have a gangbusters end of season in order to lock up the job next year. I just think he needs to look not confused, not be making a lot of mistakes and producing some reasonable offense for the Jets. I think if he is in the state i suggest above that the Jets are pretty likely to decide that he's a good bet and to put some playmakers around him. On the other hand if he looks like Mark Sanchez by the end of the year or alternately the Jets have had to put real restrictions on the offense to keep him from looking like Mark Sanchez then I think the Jets probably should go get another guy to ensure that they have somebody highly capable at QB going into 2015. What the Jets can't do is cover up Geno's major flaws, assuming they are still there by the end of the season, and think that another year or two might make them go away. That's what they did with Mark Sanchez and that's why we are where we are right now. Yep, as long as Geno has not grabbed the job I think the Jets need to increase the number of people who might. If he's looking steady and on-track by the end of the season and the Jets haven't had to go to a protective shell with him to get there then I'm going to be really happy with him and I think so will most Jets fans.
Perfect. I totally agree with you. I mean the decision of whether he has earned the job will be a hard one, but the resulting action may not be that bad. The 2014 Draft will be littered with quality signal callers and though the Jets might not be able to secure a Bridgewater or a Manziel, chances are a player like Brett Hundley and Tahj Boyd might be available.
is anybody else skeptical about most of next years supposed can't miss quarterbacks? or to be more specific does anybody else but me feel as though Boyd, Mariota and everybody else might not be much better fits for the offense being run than geno come next year? seems like most don't have the same capacity to play vertically in the passing games as Smith, they fit the mobile movement and have some other good skills individually but in my opinion none within our reach are better for MM's offense. I'm just skeptical of it all, I feel like if we get anyone of the heisman hopefuls besides Bridgewater (who we are NOT getting) we'll get a run first QB just as green to the pace and complexity of NFL opposition as Smith is now, while in the mean time #7 should have come accustomed to the game and found his own groove. (theoretically) I only mention this because I feel as though the conversation on Geno is hedging on the bet that next years candidates are automatic improvements as rookies than Smith would be as a sophomore player. I'm not entirely sure of that...
No and you must be blinded by homerism or you don't watch college ball. There are 5-6 QBs in 2014 better than any QB in last year's draft. We unfortunately needed a QB in a very weak QB class. 2014 is very deep. _
Doesn't mean we can't still draft a QB next year. Geno is no sure thing, not to mention the competition.
I don't agree with this at all. It was a weak QB class, but I really don't see next year's as that much better after Bridgewater. Geno was every bit as good of a passer as any of those other QBs coming out this year. He's struggled in his first 4 games, and so I think this is a classic case of comparing a struggling NFL rookie to polished college player stats. You all forget that Geno didn't throw more than 7 picks in a season in college. These struggles are new for him. Give him a chance to work it out. If he doesn't, then you move on. But there's no QB in the draft outside of Bridgewater that I would take over Geno.
You misunderstood my post. Unless Geno turns it around and becomes Luck or RG3 or Wilson, it would be criminal if we don't take a QB in round 1 or 2. The idea is not to get a QB better than Sanchez, it's to get a franchise QB. If Geno is not CLEARLY a franchise QB- patience be damned- we HAVE to get one of the top QBs next year and let him battle Geno for the starting spot. Too many good QBs next year. Just my theory. _
I agree with you. Other than Boyd. And McCarron. And Mariota. And Murray. And Mettengerger. And maybe Manziel. And maybe Hundley. And maybe Miller. But other than that, no one. _
I go with either one of the top 4 you just listed over Bridgewater in a second. And I got QB next year in the 2nd round. Aaron Murray!!
No way I would draft McCarron. McCarron plays in a system where any QB could succeed in. Not to mention his average at best arm strength.
I disagree on this. The bar for Geno is to show he is a productive QB. If he can do that then the Jets should make some picks to replace several of the skill players we currently have. If Geno can't show production by the end of the season then the Jets need to go get another QB. The point is that if Geno can produce while throwing to Hill, Holmes, Kerley, Winslow and Cumberland then the logical thing to do is give him better options to throw too than those guys and see if he steps it up again. If he can't produce consistently or is still very mistake prone, well then the focus shifts back to QB. There's a good argument for drafting a QB 4th round onwards next year no matter what Geno does but throwing a good prospect on top of him if he is already working out is just asking for trouble all around.
Maybe I'm alone in that, but I don't see any of those players as better than Geno was in college, nor do I see any as better pro prospects. At the very least, none of those QBs are slam dunks. With that said, I wouldn't have a problem taking one in Rounds 3 or 4 (which is where I see a couple of these guys going because most teams don't think they have a need at QB). If it gives Geno competition, then great. If they end up being better than Geno, then even better. But if they use a 1st round pick on a QB not named Bridgewater, then I would not be a fan of the move at all.
No, he's a redshirt sophomore and is eligible for the 2014 draft. Who knows if he'll come out, but his eligibility status doesn't prevent him from doing so. McShay has him moving up his board, if he projects as a first rounder I can't see him staying. JMHO. _
