Thats an incredibly dumb thing to say. So now getting 5 picks isnt impressive. Is Flacco a lot worse this year? Just because he lost Boldin doesnt mean that he has to start throwing it to the other team.
You can never gauge anything when playing the bills, last year we put up 45 points on them in week 1, an out offence was hideous, bill haven't been in the post season in 13 years, for a reason.
good players can have bad games; and bad defenses can have good games. you want to ignore that and claim that one good game by the Bills defense somehow negates their bad games, and the good game is more indicative of their ability than their multiple bad games. talk about cherry picking the data you want to use and simply ignoring what doesn't fit your argument. that is outright stupid.
Excellent post, thanks for posting that. When I saw the pass live I thought Smith did not lead Hill enough. But looking at your pics the pass had to be thrown where it was because of the safety. Smith had 3 options on the play. Throw it to the spot he did, throw it earlier then he could lead Hill more and not worry about the safety, or wait on Holmes to clear the underneath coverage as was suggested by Cimini in one his he hates Geno stories. I don't know about the Cimini idea as looking at the rush and the pocket in pic #2 I am not sure Smith will have that much time. But Holmes does have a step on his man and will be open in a few seconds although it could be a very tight window if the LB on the right side closes the window if Geno would look at Holmes on the crossing route. I beleive your right and amazingly again Cimini was wrong and Geno did make the correct choice in going to Hill. But on the ball your right Hill is the culprit. He loses where the ball is runs to far and gives up his position on the DB. If he located the ball and holds his position its not an INT. If he boxes out his man its likely a completion. This brings up an important point about Hill. Many people criticize Hill for drops which by and large I think are exaggerated and not that big a deal. The problem I have seen with Hill the last year is locating balls, getting proper position and elevating to balls. We see his problems most on the jump deep ball. He often drifts out of position, mistimes his jumps, does not box out and almost never seems to be positioning himself at the balls highest point. Look at guys like Calvin and Moss and what makes them special is the instinctive ability to box out and position their body and time their jumps. Hill may similar athleticism and body type but he seems to lack the instincts on positioning his body in crowds. Hopefully Hill will get better with time. To a lesser extent I question the INT thrown at the end of the Pats game. On that play it looked like a miscommunication between Hill and Smith. It easily could have been Smith's fault but it could have been another big mistake by Hill. I loved the pics and analysis you should post more of these.
Geno Int 2 Here is the second int from the titans game. 1. Presnap the titans show blitz. This is right after the snap, Geno is reading the safety (there is one safety deep). 2. Geno makes his first read (Holmes on the bottom of the screen) and Holmes has single coverage appears to be beating his man. Winslow is wide open, but Geno is looking to get rid of the ball quick and never looks anywhere else... 3. Holmes appears to have his man beat. Judging by where this ball is thrown I think holmes was running a curl in (shown with red line). Or maybe it should have been a back shoulder throw? 4. Another view of the same time, just to illustrate how open Winslow was. 5. The ball is out and in the air, but the corner is on to Holmes and starts to physically box him out toward the sideline. (continued in the next reply due to limit on images per message)
6. A millisecond later, the ball is almost there, but the corner has great position and has his head turned to the ball (take notes, Kyle Wilson) 7. Holmes is a pro on the field. He's located the ball too, and he's trying to fight the corner for the ball or break up the potential int (take notes, Stephan Hill). 8. This is how close it was, the corner had actually lost control of the ball, but managed to recover and catch the ball in his lap. Overall, It's not a horrible play by Geno. He wanted to get this ball out quick, correctly read his #1 WR in single coverage, processed that it was a good matchup, it just ended up being a matchup the WR lost versus the CB. At the same time, it's hard to ignore Winslow open in the middle of the field. From the pats game on, it seems like they're drilling into Geno's head to make his reads and get rid of the ball quick instead of holding it and trying to make plays (and taking too many sacks).
Great screenshots DirtySanchez. This also tells us, Geno needs more awareness in and around the pocket. He had time to go through at least one more read. Further more, I HATE the fact that he NEVER steps up in the pocket. Step up in the pocket, find Winslow and maybe you get 6.
On both those play's that dirty sanchez posted. You can see in almost all of them . Geno's helmet is facing Hills side the whole time. kinda staring him down. You look at the defense pics . They all are watching geno's eye's. Not to mention he was throwing the same post routes as the week before. I am sure the titans watched tape on his connections to hill and holmes and read them good. MM needs to mix up different plays every week cause he is a rookie and tends to stare down his WR's .
One thing about Geno's pick has always bugged me? Was it Ryan's or the GM's. Leaves very interesting questions to be asked.
Even if you give blame Holmes for losing the one on one battle on the back shoulder pass I think it was a horrible decision by Geno throwing that ball into coverage given the situation. Down by 11 on 1st down if its risky and your depending on your receiver to win the battle play for another down. Geno has had 3 bad INTs this year that one, the 1st NE one and the 2nd one against the Bills. The other ones I do not have a problem with. But those 3 were all horrible decisions and were very detrimental to the team given situation in the game. I don't mind either the 2nd or 3rd INT against NE as those were not bad plays given the circumstances. I don't mind the 1st Bills one as he misread the safety or the 1st Tenn one as that was all Hill. But INTs like the 2nd Tenn one, the 1st NE one and the 2nd Bills one are just horrible decisions and can cause us to lose the game. This one was a game changer. It took us from the possibility of having a chance to get within 8 to suddenly being down 18 at the half. We can live with INTs that don't hurt much like the 2nd one against NE on 3rd down taking a chance. It cost us all of 15 yards in field position. Take that chance every time. But some balls should never be thrown in situations like this one or the Bills INT. These are the type of situations where he needs to play smarter and be more risk adverse.
I don't think it was that bad, Holmes looked like he won when Geno made the decision to throw and you expect Holmes to win that matchup. I can't really put too much blame on Holmes, the corner realized what was going on and made a great play despite Holmes trying to make the catch/break up the int. I'm more concerned with Geno not reading the whole field on that play, because Winslow was so open. It goes back to the "he locks onto his target" thing from preseason. Yeah, I bet this is why Rex brought up the color coded plays this week. I think that Geno probably thought the second int was a safe throw...Holmes looked like he won, he had 1 on 1 coverage, and it was a short route. The earlier interception meant to go to Hill was much more risky. The problem is, if the coaches start putting Geno in a rookie bubble it takes away one of the things Geno does well which is throw intermediate to deep routes and might stunt his growth as a QB. On the other hand, the defense is playing pretty damn well. Overall, I don't think either of the interceptions were totally horrible decisions or even bad throws. It's not like he was throwing off his back foot late over he middle into double coverage. The fumbles however were inexcusable even for a rookie. Those bother me 100x more than the picks last week.
It's funny, but I think misreads and bad throws (inaccurate) are worse than Geno gambling and losing on a deep throw (like the int meant for hill in the titans game). If enough bad throws or misreads pile up I figure the QB is too inaccurate or stupid to play QB. I think I ended up watching his second bills int, but this one is much worse to me than the two vs the titans: 1. Geno drops back and immediately looks left for Clyde Gates running a slant. The Bills LB is reading Geno's eyes. Geno doesn't see/read the LB. 2. Geno makes his decision to throw, the Bills linebacker is already breaking on where the ball will be, even though it isn't out yet. 3. The Bills LB intercepts the ball.
So your post means you are in the first group. Peyton Manning started his career in a similar manner. Geno needs time.
One of these days, the people of this franchise are going to demand a guarantee, on paper, that their next quarterback be "THE ONE." And let's say Geno learns enough this year for us to go 7-9 (it'll be more like 5-11) Why not put a fire under his butt and draft someone next year? I think it certainly would have helped Sanchez if he was challenged early in the season. I was kicking myself when we picked Smith. We should have gone with Kiko Alonso at LB, but the Bills beat us to that one.
If the Jets believe in Geno, trading up and drafting another QB would be uhh interesting to say the least. If they end up getting a top 3 pick or someone falls to them ,that's something different. Actively seeking out another QB if they like Geno seems wasteful if it means trading up or reaching on a low valued QB. You could easily bring in a guy who bounces from team to team to "challenge" Geno.
The Jets should avoid trying to win the last war if they can. Grooming a QB over a period of years is very retro and although there have been successes with the approach there have been more failures overall. If Geno picks up his game and it's pretty clear he's going to be a good QB by the time the end of the season is upon us then giving him the time and space to do that is a wise idea. If on the other hand the Jets are still very much in the question of whether or not Geno is going to develop into a good QB then they need to go get another prime QB prospect to challenge him, or maybe for him to challenge. This guy could be a top pick or an early mid-rounds pick. He could be a prime vet who has never quite gotten the most out of his skills, like Jay Cutler. By the end of the year the Jets are either going to be in "Geno is the man" mode or not. If not then they need to go get somebody at least as good as him to make a real QB competition next season and to shorten the process of finding the most important player on the field. We just went through a 4+ year process trying to develop Mark Sanchez. We don't need another long process at this point. We need enough talent at the position that we find somebody. Geno might represent that. Jury is still out. The one thing the Jets shouldn't do is bring in a guy who if he wins the competition is going to leave us at least as depressed as just watching Geno play for another year trying to put it together.
The Jets management is trying to build a contending team and win a SB. The Jets actually scout players they draft. The QB is a player who is the team leader on the field. If the Jets are planning on winning a SB by lighting a fire under that persons butt, whoever that person eventually is, I'm going to suggest the Jets need new management. The NFL is based on drafting well and developing those players, taking developed players and putting them in position to exploit the opposition and win games. The Jets have a draft board like every team in the league. That board rates every player and grades them. I doubt very much the ability to light fires under the ass of existing players makes a huge difference in how we grade players. All that said it might very well be worth making a draft move, mortgaging other parts of our team to move up to draft a QB we have a very high grade on. We might be in position to draft a QB we have a very high grade on without mortgaging any other part of our future? If so it may well make sense to do it if there are serious doubts about Geno? It also might make sense to trade out of that pick if there is real belief in Geno and moving our rebuild forward. Lighting a fire under his butt should be very low on that list.
I'd suggest that YOUR GM Jerry Reese think about doing that to replace the NFL new Interception King Eli in the next draft.... Never mind.... with their record, they'll probably be able to grab up Bridgewater without trading up in the draft at all
Jerry Reese, Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning will all be replaced at some point. Having two SB gives all of them some breathing room just like multiple SB's gave Chuck Knox and Terry Bradshaw a few extra years. Winning is the only thing that guarantees you a job. The Giants are no different then the Jets and every other NFL team in that regard. Either you get it done or you get out of the way. Reese, Idzik, Geno, Eli, Rex and Coughlin are naked to their fans. There's no hiding in the NFL. If the Giants are in position to draft Bridgewater it probably makes sense to do it. Eli will be 33 next year and the rookie salary cap would allow them to groom Bridgewater for a year or two and get out from under Eli when he is in decline. If the Giants are in that position they will of course be in position to win another couple of SB's before the Jets have replaced Namath.
