A much better break down of Sanchez than the crap Noam spews. http://turnonthejets.com/2012/10/turn-on-the-jets-offensive-film-breakdown-sanchezs-34-dropbacks/ Sanchez's problem is inconsistency some do to his surroundings some do to him. But to throw out inaccuracy is just a fallacy thrown out by haters.
Sanchez problem is that he is inaccurate in his throws at all levels of the field, particularly in patterns that require him to put the ball in something other than the receiver's general vicinity. Back shoulder throws on crossing patterns is the perfect example. His secondary problem is that he just doesn't read the field well. His tertiary problem, only tertiary because it is a low frequency event compared to the others, is that he's reckless with throws and makes a lot of them that make you slap your forehead almost the moment the ball leaves his hands. "He threw late over the middle" is going to be one of the lines on his tombstone.
I disagree. I think it is pretty funny how the Sanchez haters when Geno makes a innaccurate throw say how accurate he is over and over and over. Sanchez made some big time NFL throws that made you think he could be great he also made some dumbass throws that make for the haters. Like I said read the breakdown of each throw for that Houston game pretty good microcosm of Sanchezs career
why is a thread about Geno Smith being brought to it's knees by the Mark Suckchez Defense League when, as a matter of fact, Mark Suckchez will never play another game for the Jets and will be released at the end of the season Time to throw out the garbage
Not sure why you are stalking my posts, it's kind of creepy, as is the use of the moniker " sonny". But if in all your agenda driven dribble you've come to the conclusion that Geno is better than Sanchez then congratulations to you, you win the Internet. The point isn't to find a QB better than Sanchez, it is to find a true franchise QB. If you stalked my posts like you've said you'll find my only criticism of Geno is a lack of awareness of where he is on the field at times and that we need to determine right now if he's the guy to lead this team forward because next years crop of QBs is loaded. Guy has a GREAT arm and can put the ball anywhere it looks, with ease. Never called for him to be benched, never called for Simms to start. Just that one need not shit on Sanchez and fabricate stuff about a current Jet so that we can feel better about liking Geno as a player- which I do. I thought this was a Geno thread, didn't realize this was supposed to to become the next "Sanchez sucks" thread. Enjoy yourself. _
Why is this thread becoming the next "Sanchez sucks" thread instead of about Geno? Why continue to shit on a guy who is done here? The point is to find a franchise QB, not to find a QB better than "the worst QB in football" or even better, "garbage". Why continue to compare them? Seems like overkill. _
While comparative analysis remains a valuable tool, it's certainly been overused in the case of Sanchez v. Smith. Onto other news, check out Grantland's Quarter Season Awards article:
I'm not arguing against comparative analysis- it's completely valid and useful. It's the hyperbole that irks me. Tell me what a great ball Geno throws (which he does), no need to augment that statement with the likes of 'he's already throw a dozen balls better than buttfumblesuckchezheadbandcoddleboy ever threw in his 4 years here'. I don't understand the pathological compulsion to make up stuff to make one feel better about one's opinion. Compare Geno to GOOD young QBs, not to a crappy one, the comparative analysis fails otherwise. _
We're not disagreeing. In fact, my post indicated my agreement with this post: For a raw prospect, Geno does a lot of things right. His BDR may be a little high, but it will come down as he gets more game time and comfort in the NFL game.
Geno is much more accurate than Sanchez. He's not accurate enough yet but there's hope he will get there. The fact that Sanchez made big time NFL throws at times during his career says nothing about his accuracy. Accuracy is about being on target most of the time. It's not about making a pretty throw when you are on target. It's about being on target. The review you linked had 11 negatives and 3 undecided in 34 throws. That's not a good thing. That means 11 to 14 times Sanchez made a throw or decision that hurt the Jets offense. A good QB maybe makes 3 or 4 bad throws out of 34. A great QB maybe makes 1. Making 11 of them in 34 drop backs is killing your team before you ever get started. It's taking multiple drives and stalling them out because you couldn't get the job done in an acceptable fashion. This is something that Sanchez supporters have never gotten and probably never will get. Making a few good throws just doesn't mean anything if you make a bunch of bad ones too. If you make a lot of great throws then you can make some bad throws and get away with it most of the time. That's the Eli Manning story.
I was a Sanchez supporter and I agree with this 1000%. His bad throws more than offset his good throws, especially latter 2011 and pretty much all of 2012. It's the posters that claim he never made any good throws, claim that as fact then use that as the basis for more dumping on him that irks some Jet fans. His inconsistency has always been his biggest problem- he's made plenty of big plays but his god-awful plays outweighed them. _
Absolutely. I don't think there are that many people who claim that Sanchez never made any great throws. If that's their position then they're wrong. He did however make many more bad throws than great throws and that's where he failed. Geno at this point is making more bad throws than great throws. That's one of the very real scenarios for a rookie QB. I'd say it was the normal scenario for a rookie QB who is not being well protected. We'll see if he adjusts to the reality in front of him or not. If he adapts well he's going to be a good QB. If he just kind of gets incrementally better then he's going to be replacement level, much like Mark Sanchez turned into. If he can't adapt and the turnovers keep coming by the bucketful then he's going to be on the bench and relegated to competition for the next guy.
Did you read it. Most consider that game horrible but if you read through the throws he threw three innaccurate balls. accuracy is not Sanchezs issue and he is much more accurate that Geno at the very least even but from what I have seen Geno is not accurate thus far. Edit: Just to add on the receivers were running horrible routes all day not an excuse but makes it harder when you are not sure where the receiver is going to be. I feel bad for Geno he is in a no win situation this week. Kellen will need to have 10-15 receptions and Goodson and Powell over 150 for Geno to be successful with the receiving core we are bringing to ATL.
Accuracy is relative. If you add Sanchez's int's to his completion percentage it's clear he's getting the ball in the area (Accuracy). DB's usually cover WR therefore an INT is usually in the area of the WR. You could make the argument based on Sanchez's INT's that he is very accurate. Of course compared to the accuracy of top NFL QB's that's an entirely different story. Geno as a rookie is clearly accurate. The question is will he improve to pinpoint accuracy or NFL top QB accurate?
what i do not like about Geno is that his field awareness like the dropbacks into the endzone, risking a throw close to field goal range etc etc ,even tho that can be improved that should come right away out of colege, that aside I do belive in this QB and if he expands his game the dude can be slick.
I read through your post twice just to be sure and I think I got it. OK, so when DBs drop balls on other QBs, only Sanchez is/was the "lucky QB" because he had the most that year and those dropped INTs should have been caught for real INTs. His higher TD numbers are a fluke and had nothing to do with Plax being a huge RZ target and some decent (finally) designed run playcalls for Mark by Schotty (and throw in a little RZ coaching by Tom Moore by the way). And the increased number of sacks was because Mark didn't get rid of the ball fast enough...possibly because his receivers weren't getting enough separation....so he would avoid throwing an INT to too tightly covered WRs...and those sacks had nothing to do with a down year on the OLine, with WFH in at RG, an injured Mangold and Slaw, redundantly, a lack of separation by the WRs (not to mention the carousel of players) and it's Mark's fault that he got sacked 12 more times in 2011 than the previous 2 years for those reasons I just mentioned. Yes, I did notice you gave him credit for his athleticism on the goal line run plays...and them blasted him immediately after for having a fluke year. I think I'm pretty clear now on where you stand. Thanks.
In regards to the dropped INts. there is a luck factor involved that evens out over time. Sanchez's had 15 dropped INTs in 2010 the 2nd luckiest QB had 9. Sanchez had 9 fumbles but only lost one compare that to 2011 10 fumles 8 lost and 2012 14 fumbles 8 lost. he is still make the same number of bad plays but there is a luck factor involved that evens out over time. Give him better than average luck with only 9 dropped INTS and 6 lost fumbles and he ends up with around his normal 26 total turnovers in 2010 just as he had in 2011 and 2012. In regards to the increased sacks in 2011. The Jet OL gave up the 5th least QB hits in the NFL in 2011. They gave up the 12th least pressures but Sanchez took sacks at a rate of 24% of the time he was pressured. His numbers and stats were terrible compared to other QBs when under pressure. Out of 39 Qbs in 2011 he graded out as 39th under pressure. I think that is a good explanation of why he took more sacks in 2011. Here is a nice PFF breakdown of 2011 QBs under pressure. If you simply watch him play visually you can see it as well. When he is 1st read is not there or he becomes confused he often panics, freezes, lowers his head, runs blindly and makes bad decisions. You can see this in many of the sacks he took in 2011 where he ran until he hit something or he stopped and froze and waited to be hit. Early in the 2011 season Suggs said if you hit Sanchez he is done and gives up on plays because he is soft. Shotty said late in 2011 if Sanchez's read is not there he becomes confused and panics and we need to do a better job of making reads easier for him. I know you like Sanchez and I think your opinion is honest and I respect it but I also think your mistaken. If you want me to say something nice about Sanchez I will. I thought he had made some nice improvements in the Lions pre-season game and the Giants game. He was more decisive, he got rid of the ball a lot faster, he stepped up in the pocket on occasion and looked like a QB fighting for a job. IMO he looked the best he has ever been. His problem has always been when he is under pressure everything falls apart. If he can be more decisive, get rid of the ball, not freeze and panic and learn to step up in the pocket a lot of his accuracy, turnover, pressure and arm strength problems would go away or at least be mitigated. If you want a very long detailed analysis of the cause of Sanchez's flaws I would be happy to bore you with it in a pm. There is quite a difference between liking a player and wanting him to be good and then saying oh he is good because I say so. I try to offer you stats and comparison to other QBs and make you an actual argument rather than simply relying on emotion. I don't mean this about you but I do not see this from many of the Sanchez apologists. It is always someones fault other than Sanchez and of course they go out of their way to slam and attack Geno simply because it they have to much of their ego invested in Sanchez. It is the height of hypocrisy IMO to slam Geno but still support Sanchez. It is possible to argue against both QBs or like both. Although I would say its far to early to make judgements. We all gave Sanchez two years before many of us drew conclusions. Many people gave him 3 years and 4 years. Some even want to give him more time.
