Just about every turnover that Geno has had this year has been for a different reason. He's making every rookie mistake in the book. Hopefully he's learning from each of them and doesn't repeat them much. That's what would represent progress. If he does that things will settle down because he's running out of new and unique ways to turn the ball over at this point. The play calls have been a small part of the overall load for him at this point. Basically he's being asked to pass too much in the shadow of his own end zone. Despite a heavy commitment to 1st down runs inside their own 20 Geno has still attempted 28 pass plays from inside the 20 as opposed to 18 runs. This is at least in part because the Jets have not run well inside their own 20 so far this year, 18 carries for 59 yards. Of the 59 yards 14 came on one play and 6 on another. The rest of the time we're talking 16 carries for 39 yards and a lot of 2nd and long.
he traded away a 4th for ivory, who spends more time off the field than on, both in new orleans and now. meanwhile, the fins picked up a decent back, lamar miller, in the 4th and the titans got a decent wideout in the 4th. both drafted after where the jets were . at this point, I would rather use the draft, and not have idzik make any more non-constructive trades, given his results. :shit:
Our D has stoned 3 out of the 4 teams we played. That's how. Not totally. TB and Buffalo on the road lost their composure.
if tuna was running the jets, he would not hesitate to pull geno for a series or quarter if he played like he has been. he did it to phil simms. nothing wrong with pulling geno last sunday with game well out of hand to give simms real game reps. he gets reps with the starters, and geno can watch/clear his head. the game was not winnable, so why make the same mistake of coddling geno like they did with sanchez?
Sonny? LOLGFY, I'm in my early 50s, met Namath when I was 10, gramps. I've pretty much figured out who here has a solid grasp of football and who makes outlandishly stupid over- the- top generalizations based upon an irrational and agenda driven hate for a player. One who still happens to be a Jet. _
Sonny I am the same age as you claim and yes I figured out you make those type of posts, and that you have a hateful agenda and that you make all your posts on your irrational fantasy love of Sanchez. No need for you to apologize for your trolling posts it is quite clear where your coming from and what your motivation is.
I have no hate for any Jet player. I think we all are rooting for Geno, I just don't understand the pathological obsession with shitting on a current Jet to make you feel better about your opinions. Honestly, some of the crap you feel you need to spew about Sanchez is astonishingly transparently agenda driven. We get it, you hate Sanchez, why not try to make a point without the need to make up stupid stuff about a current Jet. I moved on from Sanchez since the end of 2011 and 2012 was the nail in the coffin. I can like Geno without shitting on Sanchez, or even comparing the two. But have fun with the hate crap. _
Sonny, many of us compare Geno to Sanchez as he was the previous QB. That is only natrual. But we who have been critical of Sanchez should also ask ourselves does Geno really look as good as he seems or does he just look good because we are comparing him to Sanchez. Just as posters like yourself should ask yourselves do you really think Geno looks as bad as you say or is it just because Geno looking good will somehow diminish your love posts of Sanchez. The few Sanchez pathological posters cannot move on from Sanchez and therefore hate Geno only because he is not Sanchez. That is likely why you stalk and troll my posts with your pointless nonsensical juvenile ramblings. I am no Geno fan but I root for him as he is a Jet and I have seen a lot of good in him. I did not want to draft him because he reminded me to much of Sanchez with his fumbles in college. But I have noticed a phenomenon the first 4 weeks of the year an unrelenting hate for Geno by the pro-Sanchez fanboys. Not because of Geno's play but because they think by attacking Geno it will somehow redeem Sanchez. Its ok to like both QBs. It's ok to dislike both QBs. But please try to actually make an argument rather than just continue to toss out jibberish. Edit: Oh now I understand. I just looked at your join date. Given the nature and tone of your posts you must Be Hobbes posting as an alt after your latest banning. Glad to see your not taking your meds Hobbes the forum would not be as fun if you did. I was wondering when you would reveal yourself.
Don't get too full of yourself, I don't troll your posts, I just notice stupid posts and react to them- just so happens you've posted idiocy the past few days and i didn't even realize it was you ( and quite frankly couldn't give a shit who you are because you are irrelevant to me on the Internet). And I don't hate Geno at all, I saw him live 3 times in college, saw him at Foxboro and am a STH and I'm flying to Atlanta to see him Monday nite- I like him as a player. I just don't hate Sanchez just like I didn't hate Penny, Clemens, Ratliff, Favre, Vinny, Boomer, O' Donnell, Nagle, Todd, O'Brien or Ryan. Hell, I even liked Troy Taylor and he never played. But yeah, I'm Hobbes. Too funny. Keep on hating. _
i really hope someone completely fucking chewed rex a new asshole for that retardedness on the radio. no we wont do that,no we cant do that, this is the fucking nfl not a bunch of 7 year olds. fuck i wouldnt even do that with 7 year olds.
You do realize Sanchez' best year was 2011 - right? While that didn't translate into W's it was his best statistical year and he played better for the most part on average even while the team was disintegrating around him. LT +1 year older, loss of DWood, down 2 WR from previous year, aging D. I've said it before - If Cro doesn't fumble the KR for 6 at Oak, the Jets are in the playoffs and things would have been much different. Fortunately he isn't running the team anymore. That ship set sail in 2000 when he bailed on us to begin with and didn't bother finishing what he started. Ivory was a low risk high reward trade. I don't understand the constant yammering about how "bad" Idzik is from multiple posts in multiple threads. The guy is 4 games deep into his first season. Considering where the team was at, and where it is heading, we should be kissing his feet. But 4 games, nor 1 season, does not a GM make.
Sonny, I took a few minutes to read a few of your posts and I stopped after 7 or 8. I Can't recall seeing someone drone on with such loud arrogant jibberish in quite sometime. I bet you are even more fun to be around in real life. Now someone as arrogant as you calling me full of myself and posts idiotic leaves me almost speechless. I am not going to say that my posts are masterpieces or even that great but at least sometimes there is a spark of intelligence, an actual argument and some thought behind them along with an occasional citation or source of information. Your posts seem to specialize in 3 things only. Insulting other people, telling others how great you are and offering your opinion with no actual supporting argument. With this great resume your being critical of others? My apologies to the rest of the board for taking the bait of this blowhard and disrupting the thread. As you can guess he has been trolling my posts the last few days and offering out his best unprovoked insults. Becoming tired of his juvenile attacks I took the bait. As one should learn from arguing with Hobbes and Junc one should not argue with a crazy person. As that is what they live for. The just want the attention from people recognizing that they actually exist even if it is just people feeling sorry for them. I will leave this guy alone and let him pick a fight with someone else and seek more attention for himself.
TD wise it was his best year. I also thought he improved as a player in 2011 and 2012 over 2009-2010 as in 2011 as the the training wheels of 09-10 were taken off and he was not near as protected in passing situations as 09-10. But I also thought his TDs were an anomaly and out of whack from his other years for a couple of reasons. In 2011 we did not have a goal line back and Sanchez then benefited form those TDs that would have normally gone to the RB which is why his TDs spiked. We had some brilliant play calling in 2011 at the goal line where we called a number of QB designed runs. This did a few things it inflated Sanchez's running TDs which would have normally gone to a RB and it gave the defense one more thing to think about and opened up the play action for many easy uncovered TDs. These designed runs helped us to number one in red zone percentage and gave us a number of extra TDs that would have normally been FGs. But in 2011 he still displayed the same flaws as the other 3 years. he lacked accuracy. Lacked the ability to throw outside the hashmarks, lacked the accuracy to throw into close coverage, was last of 39 QBs under pressure, and took sacks at an alarming rate of 24% of the time he was pressured. In 2011 he had a very good OL. Despite Hunter the Jet OL gave up the 5th least amount of QB hits and 12th least pressures. Thanks to Sanchez's turnovers the Jets led the league by a wide margin in points given up off of turnovers which by my recollection was either 126 or 129 points. He also gave up 5 TO's returned for TDs. 6 if yo count the Keller play against SD. By all accounts other than TDs scored he was a very bad inaccurate turnover machine in 2011. He also led the league in 2011 and in 2012 with fumbles lost with 8. He is the all time NFL leader in fumbles per game with 43 over 4 years. But I will say that I thought the Sanchez designed runs were not only brilliant on the play calling side but they were well executed by Sanchez. Despite his problems in the pocket with panicking and freezing he is very athletic. A lot more athletic than people give him credit for. On the designed runs he was able to showcase and use that athleticism. I would have loved to have seen more plays like that called in 2012 especially at the goal line. when Sanchez does not have to think he is much more athletic and fluid player. You can see this the few times he escapes the pocket, the awkwardness goes away and he looks more like a kid on a play lot then the nervous, sweating scared to death panicked QB we so often see shaking in the pocket. But overall I think the extra TDs were a fluke and an anomaly. Sort of like having only 13 INTs in 2010. That year he led the league in dropped INTs with 15. The 2nd luckiest QB had 9 dropped INTs. Just make Sanchez tied for the luckiest QB in football and he would have had his normal 18+ Ints. Over time these things even out.
Sanchez best year and yet down the stretch in the Jets 3 losses in a row to end that putrid collapse he had 7 INT's to go with his 5 TD's with a huge 620 total yards along with a wonderful 56% completion percentage. Sanchez was awful in 2011 when it counted.
This. Stats, shmats..... Sanchez played MUCH better in 2010. 2011 was the beginning of the decline before gaining momentum to launch off the 2012 cliff
2010 has been played up in Jets lore because of a few mediocre teams that the Jets allowed to hang around and then beat in the closing seconds of the game, because the team was better than those teams by quite a bit. Detroit, Cleveland and Houston wound up 6-10, 5-11 and 6-10 respectively and yet the late heroics to beat each of them somehow changed the perception of the Jets. The real question is why the Jets were in position to lose to any of those teams late?
