Sanchez made progress in year 2 and parts of year 3. The regression began at some point in year 3 and continued in year 4. and "million times better" is your usual hyperbole. If we had Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green, Arian Foster, Adrian Peterson. Would be an example of "million times better". I don't think the weapons are an excuse for Geno throwing picks. The drops were excruciating but Hill and Gates IMO are solid NFL receivers they both just had a bad night.
Oh, so now you're yelling? LOL. I would not have drafted Geno this year- just my opinion, it was the worst year in a while to draft a QB. I would have waited until 2014 and taken a true stud and built from there. Geno was a value pick, they didn't take him because they thought he was a franchise QB, but maybe we catch lightning in a bottle. He was a second rounder, unless he shows flashes like a true franchise QB THIS year, we can't let him stand in the way of grabbing a potential franchise QB. Chill dude, it's just the Internet. _
I don't disagree w/ the first part but most of last year we had Kerley, Schilens, Gates, Cumberland, reuland as our weapons w/ Tony Sparano running the O and a poor OL/run game. last night we had Holmes, Hill, Gates, Winslow, Cumberland w/ a good OL and a much better OC. The situations are not comparable.
The weapons aren't the reason for Sanchez short comings. Blame the FO for not bringing in better players. Blame them for hiring Sparano. But none of that excuses Sanchez for being a bottom 5 QB.
I saw Geno play live 3 times in college, I am fully aware of what he did early in the season last year- but you have to admit it was against inferior teams. Who knew James Madison even had a football team lol? I never thought for a moment he was the number 1 pick, just my opinion. I get it, everyone's hoping Geno is the man, but I just happen to think the top 4 (actually 5) will be better. It's all just opinion, maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe not. _
The problem I see with that is Braylon basically fills the same role as the other guys, what the Jets really need is for Spadola (sp? sorry I'm tired) to step up as a possession receiver and one of the tight ends to step up as well. The Jets really need someone who demands a double team underneath to free up the guys who stretch the field.
Well Im not beating a drum saying they wont be better. I think Bridgewater and Mariota will be better prospects. But after that Im not really confident in saying Geno is better or vice versa. Assuming Geno progresses throughout the season, I just cant justify the organization drafting another QB who may have about the same shot at success as Geno over a player like Marqise Lee or Sammy Watkins. If Geno sucks and continues to turn the ball over at a high rate and does not improve, sure go ahead and draft another QB if you believe in him. With our defense, I think we should be able to win some games- around 7-9 or 8-8. IMO, that will be enough to push us out of a shot a Bridgewater by a good amount, and probably Mariota too if he is the type of prospect I expect him to be. Realistically, I just dont see us going QB next year unless Geno gives us a real reason to.
Spadola should play when he's ready. Braylon gives Geno a reliable route runner and sure hands. Let Spadola develop at his own pace. Maybe next year you can increase Spadola's role. For now the receiving corp has to be a platoon situation.
Please note that Geno has had little time to practice with his receivers this past week and in general its been a carousel of sorts. I am waiting for him to develop chemistry with Holmes
I think you are agreeing with me and at the same time disputing my statement. not sure, though, but the confusion lies in your broad accusation that every blames Sanchez. had Sanchez had that type of game as last night in his rookie season, nobody would have attacked and criticized him because he was a rookie and it would have been expected. but he was having those games in year four, which is a huge difference. that is why it is different to excuse Geno for last night but attack Sanchez for his performance as a four year starter.
I think my original premise was that if Geno is still making these mistakes in week 10 then we'd damn we'll better draft a QB (and not wait 4 years!). I am intrigued by Johnny Football and IMHO Boyd has a much higher ceiling, but we'll see. Manziel versus McCarron this weekend should be fun. _
it does to an extent. he's had ONE bad year and it was a year we had no one around him and a terrible OC. Should he have turned it over as much? No he should have been safe and we should have punted but we still lose most, if not all, of those games. But year 4 came w/ Chaz Schilens starting, no QB could have succeeded. I am not blaming Geno, I am encouraged by him but we can't blame mark for everything then geno has more talent and does the same thing and absolve him or should I say those that blamed mark. mark deserved his share of blame for last year but he was in a no win situation. geno has shown flashes, I hope he's great. we'll see.
There was an illusion of improvement in 2010 with sanchez, but he also led the league BY far in dropped interceptions, 15 dropped picks compared to the next highest player with 9. Just like with his fumbles the first two years he got exceptionally lucky. I mean 15 dropped picks and only losing 1 of 9 fumbles required A LOT of luck. The only thing that spiked in 2011 was his TD's and even with that spike he was only +6 TD/s to turnovers (combined passing and rushing TD's and lost fumbles and interceptions). In other words he was just a little over of breaking even. and that's his BEST year. It's also telling that all but 1 of his Red Zone TD's were against teams ranked #16 or worse in pass defense, all but 2 were against teams ranked #20 or worse. In other words the bad feeding on the bad. As I've said elsewhere, I'm fine with the 55% completion rate, the mid teen TD rates that have been his norm IF he could learn not to turn the ball over so regularly, at least then he'd be an effective game manager. But unless your putting up big numbers and putting up at least a 1.5 to 1 TD to turnover ratio, on a consistent basis, you just cant turn the ball over 20+ times a season all by your lonesome. And just fyi, Sanchez ranks even worse when you factor "true" interceptions, this is where game film is reviewed and deflected interceptions are not counted against the QB but dropped interceptions that should be easy catches (aka no diving no spectacular plays, just balls that hit the defender in the chest or he easily has two hands on the ball) Mark ranks very very low. In 2012 His Adjusted interception rate was 4.6% and an adjusted total of 21. Who ranked lower? in terms of percentages? Lindley, Hasselbeck, SKelton and Weeden...Luck also was on that list. In 2011 he was slightly more "less" lucky as his adjusted interception rate only went from 3.3 to 3.5%. In 2010 his adjusted interception rate shot from 2.4% to 5.2%, actually WORSE than either 2012 or 2011. No figures are available for 2009 as Football outsiders didn't do the stat and watch the game footage to rule in or out interceptions prior to the 2010 season. You can blame an OC for bad play calling, you can blame an OC for high incomplete rates, to a degree, but interceptions and fumbles all fall on the shoulders of one person, the QB.
Weapons aren't the reason for his bad pocket presence, locking into one receiver, pump faking and throwing to a guy in triple coverage, his lack of accuracy etc. Also you don't know how any other QB could have done in a similar situation, so stop it. And Sanchez has had 3 bad seasons out of 4. His second year was his best season and that was nothing to write home about.
every QB has dropped INTs, he also got credited w/ 2 bogus INTs and had TDs dropped. he was excellent in 2010, a top 8-12 QB. His TDs spiked in 2011 and offensive points. I don't buy those stats, I'd love to see the clips of the ones they thought should have been caught b/c there were a lot of balls in the hands of defenders that weren't easy catches so how do we count those? when you don't trust your receivers it can lead to bad habits. I have been watching this game a long time, I know we wouldn't have succeeded w/ any QB. look at what Brady did last night? this is a guy who made a career of winning w/ average talent, he sucked last night w/ much better talent than we had for most of 2012.
Just as a point of reference, Edwards has never caught more than 51.9% of the passes he was targeted on in either of his 2 seasons with the Jets, I'm excluding 2012 because he was only targeted 18 times. in 2009 he caught 35 of 72 targets, and in 2010 he caught 53 of 102 targets. Clearly if Sanchez completed 54-56% of his passes those two seasons someone else was the one catching the higher percentage of passes. Some of that of course was Braylon running deep routes which have a lower success rate though so take that with a grain of salt.
